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wangtangkiki

Posts: 2280 Join date: 2010-02-13
 | Subject: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:20 am | |
| Tell me what you guys think: That's for just the draw.. Gibs helped me out by pointing me towards the formation because I was pissed off from losing to juego every time.. When myself & juego played, my pass D was good.. only gave up like 115 yds passing.. but I did give up over 200 yds rushing... MJD had 20 carries for 190~ yds 1 TD.. I could not STOP the draw.. so I sat for about 2 hours labbing & this is what I have.. The pass D out of this formation looks identical.. The Pass D presses both WRs that are ON the LOS.. this gets the timing off for the slant out.. and allows more time for the pressure to get there.. We get "passive pressure" as Gibs likes to call it.. you blitz 2 or 3 players.. it's not an All out coverage D.. it's in between.. The pass D covers stick very well.. the CBs switch off.. plus we have a way to tip it / pick it every time with Dime Flat.. It doesn't confusing but it works  I've only been using all of this with the Titans D.. I really wish I had a fast secondary.. A faster secondary = helps so much with this play.. _________________ PSN: wangtangkiki MB's Most Helpful Member 2010! MB's Member of the Year 2010!Thank you guys, I appreciate it. Madden is my passion. So are spreadsheets. Any video requests for M12? Email me: wangtangkiki@gmail.com |
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sgibs Admin

Posts: 2620 Join date: 2009-06-18 Age: 26 Location: Boston, MA
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:40 am | |
| that was a good lab sesh friday night lol
i was just looking at books spitting you plays...then you fire back no no like this like this
haha good work kiki _________________ http://twitter.com/sgibs7 Follow me!
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eelyak
Posts: 53 Join date: 2010-08-10
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:18 am | |
| Not too difficult to break down your you're something, something else  will have to check that out. |
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xHHx_megatron

Posts: 1334 Join date: 2010-04-05 Age: 24 Location: sooner state
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:33 pm | |
| hey I know u saw my scheme...I dont how you feel bout Dub A gap blitzing, but it shuts down draws and brings heat...but anyways..I can see what your doing tho and its nice |
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ZAN

Posts: 1388 Join date: 2010-03-16 Age: 22 Location: Springfield, IL
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:48 pm | |
| Running any pass blitz will shut down undercenter draws. This is good, but I feel you will have a rough time stopping slant outs out of a base 46. _________________ 1x C4 360 Majors SB Champ (Season V) Inaugural C4 NCAA 360 Champ, COTY, and MVP (Trifecta) C4 Most Consistent Madden 11 Player C4 Madden 11 Defensive Player of the Year Madden Bible's (Madden 12) TWIMMY post-humous Co-Defensive Player of the Year w/Jerms |
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maguffin82
Posts: 112 Join date: 2010-09-20
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:53 pm | |
| | ZAN wrote: | | This is good, but I feel you will have a rough time stopping slant outs out of a base 46. |
He said he's using Dime Flat. |
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xHHx_megatron

Posts: 1334 Join date: 2010-04-05 Age: 24 Location: sooner state
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:04 pm | |
| well slants work good against zone cause its a slant/flat combination...against man it works good cause the defenders switch off and against a team like raiders(speed) or a receiver with high route running it can be a problem..
so if i see slant outs out of snugs then I will assigned my defenders for man cov with de on contains...for zone then I just do a flat and purple zone combination
I havnt labbed stopping slant outs out of snugs..but those are just some concepts I just thought bout when I seen your post zan..
normally I just use cv2 hawk and pray its not a draw lol |
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ZAN

Posts: 1388 Join date: 2010-03-16 Age: 22 Location: Springfield, IL
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:14 pm | |
| Ahh...I'm so used to seeing 46 speed package. LMAO! _________________ 1x C4 360 Majors SB Champ (Season V) Inaugural C4 NCAA 360 Champ, COTY, and MVP (Trifecta) C4 Most Consistent Madden 11 Player C4 Madden 11 Defensive Player of the Year Madden Bible's (Madden 12) TWIMMY post-humous Co-Defensive Player of the Year w/Jerms |
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xHHx_megatron

Posts: 1334 Join date: 2010-04-05 Age: 24 Location: sooner state
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:40 pm | |
| yea i know..I've been using 46 since back to 08...I hate seeing everyone hop onto 46 bandwagon...but everyone's weakness is that they buy ebooks and then they dont understand why things work or dont work..
against snugs (slantouts) putting corners on purple(instead of deep blue) with a cv3 coverage??...sounds pretty risky
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ZAN

Posts: 1388 Join date: 2010-03-16 Age: 22 Location: Springfield, IL
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:45 pm | |
| I ran 46 in 08 and 09. Went to NYJ in 10 (my D was bad in 10). Went back to 46 in 11, and my D (in both EAFL/C4) is top 5 in league in points allowed. 46 is so good. Dime flat is very good vs. stick abusers too....I can see why this play is being used. It locks up draw, and stick....however, if they run any other pass play (mesh, for example), the user needs to be aware and mark the HB out of the backfield, because it looks like the MLB is blitzing. _________________ 1x C4 360 Majors SB Champ (Season V) Inaugural C4 NCAA 360 Champ, COTY, and MVP (Trifecta) C4 Most Consistent Madden 11 Player C4 Madden 11 Defensive Player of the Year Madden Bible's (Madden 12) TWIMMY post-humous Co-Defensive Player of the Year w/Jerms |
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abdaninja

Posts: 789 Join date: 2009-12-12
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:01 pm | |
| i still run jets playbook last yr was my first yr of madden i mean i been buying the games and stuff but not play online
My D was so fierce especially towards the end of the year this yr i use jets with a lil twist since 34 isnt as effective but still great 46 is more effective IMO i will not switch pbs on Defense
on offense my O is unique liek no other
uhmm i was playing a stick abuser last night with the eagles blah blah draw i was cowboys he had maclin and jackson in the slots
i was using 46 speed cover 2 double a gap blitz shift safetys zone inside and spread line move flat guys really fast to the side or show blitz and i got 2 picks by my flat guy one a tipped ball INT and other just a catch pick 6 only problem with this D if there smart enough if they motion there slot out im screwed on the quick pass ... but this D is so effective and stops draws or really forces them outside sometimes get hit in the backfield and forces a quick throw and is pretty good vs double drags Lbs come in so fast its hard to hit a wr in stride its really wierd but u should check it
ps make it look like its man coverage
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wangtangkiki

Posts: 2280 Join date: 2010-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:45 pm | |
| Yep, I'm using Dime Flat.
My pass D setup & run D setup look identical.. I'm trying to find a way to mix them both together.. it would be awesome.. _________________ PSN: wangtangkiki MB's Most Helpful Member 2010! MB's Member of the Year 2010!Thank you guys, I appreciate it. Madden is my passion. So are spreadsheets. Any video requests for M12? Email me: wangtangkiki@gmail.com |
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xHHx_megatron

Posts: 1334 Join date: 2010-04-05 Age: 24 Location: sooner state
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:37 am | |
| | ZAN wrote: | | I ran 46 in 08 and 09. Went to NYJ in 10 (my D was bad in 10). Went back to 46 in 11, and my D (in both EAFL/C4) is top 5 in league in points allowed. 46 is so good. Dime flat is very good vs. stick abusers too....I can see why this play is being used. It locks up draw, and stick....however, if they run any other pass play (mesh, for example), the user needs to be aware and mark the HB out of the backfield, because it looks like the MLB is blitzing. |
actually I ran into someone that was using stick...so I used 46 man and assigned my defenders Then I backed out the coverage..it work pretty good..I think stick works when the defenders are close to LOS..but I broght the cb covring rb up close
I could tell it made a difference cause earlier I kept getting burnt by malcom kelly (I had ravens...yea malcom kelly of all the people)...so after I tested it out, I never got burnt again..
And Wangie's lil defense works good cause the defenders arnt close to LOS
I dunno tho...just a theory |
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wangtangkiki

Posts: 2280 Join date: 2010-02-13
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:10 am | |
| | ZAN wrote: | | I ran 46 in 08 and 09. Went to NYJ in 10 (my D was bad in 10). Went back to 46 in 11, and my D (in both EAFL/C4) is top 5 in league in points allowed. 46 is so good. Dime flat is very good vs. stick abusers too....I can see why this play is being used. It locks up draw, and stick....however, if they run any other pass play (mesh, for example), the user needs to be aware and mark the HB out of the backfield, because it looks like the MLB is blitzing. |
MLB is NOT in a blitzing route
Also.. I have a pass D vs. Snugs Flip that I will be releasing this week.. probably on a THURSDAY._________________ PSN: wangtangkiki MB's Most Helpful Member 2010! MB's Member of the Year 2010!Thank you guys, I appreciate it. Madden is my passion. So are spreadsheets. Any video requests for M12? Email me: wangtangkiki@gmail.com |
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suicide-manual

Posts: 198 Join date: 2010-08-22 Age: 22 Location: Japan
 | Subject: Re: Snugs Flip - HB Draw defense Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:27 am | |
| Dude Wang didnt I talk to you about the purple zones and a putting a spy in there ? |
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