MadDen 11 TV - Show #84 Sim vs Tourny

Let the debate begin!

im a freesimstyler

i like that lol

80% sim...

like to RC lol

tourney...

its where the $$$ is


>.> even tho my job prevents me from going to most of em

As irish would say, " liberal sim" player..

This is a great debate! I would say 75% of my madden playing is done in Online Franchise modes, where the rules are very sim.

I used to feel like sim was more enjoyable because when you make your opponent punt on 4th downs, it allows you to play more realistic instead of feeling like any drive that doesnt end in a touchdown is going to cost you the game.

But, I think I have converted to more of a tournament style fan. I have noticed, in my experience, that the guys who are 100% sim tend to rely on suffocating rules to narrow the talent gap between players.

I'm in some leageus that don't allow no huddle, moving defensive linemen into coverage or snapping the ball with a receiver in motion. To me, this just dumbs the game down to a "madden for dummies" level.

I have also noticed that a lot of sim players cry foul at things that shouldn't be issues. I've heard guys say "there is a HB toss glitch", or "You throw to your TE too much".

On the other side, I feel like tournament style, especially when you get matched up with a good player, is such a mind game. When you take the cuffs off, you get the best out of both players, and if that means some guys only run 3-4 plays, then it's on me to find a defense to shut down those 3-4 plays.

I beleive in "Read the rules, play if you want to, coach your team, and I'll coach my team." ...

I'll save my thoughts for the show though; definitely looking forward to this one! -Great stuff 'Gibs, 'Farls, and the rest of the TWIM team.

we are in a 100% Sim league and it just makes it more fun IMO.

I hate playing people who never punt, always go for it on 4th down even if you stop them.

havent seem to see the vid yet but madden is madden only certain things work and you have to use them to your advantage... nanos, drags, streaks

This has always been a great debate.

I personally enjoy the tourney approach to video games, but with various rules and plays that are illegal. Kind of like how most sanctioned tournaments are. For example, one play year to year that the people at Electronic Arts kept messing up was the Wide Receiver Double pass.

For those who dont know, the Double Pass was not a glitch, not a hack, but rather just a goof in the game. The play consisted of the quarterback throwing the ball to the wide receiver behind the line of scrimmage and then the WR would then throw the ball down the field. The problem with this was that the AI would automatically drop back into coverage, and it was a very quick and easy 10-20 yard gain every time. Things like this should be banned all together as it is garbage.

It goes beyond Madden, IMO. Ask Farls and Gibs. Our senior year of college we had an unbelievable College Hoops 2K7 dynasty mode going. It got to a point that we had all learned specific ways of taking advantage of the AI, and we had to ban certain types of full court presses and had to make sure that you did not manually cover the inbound pass because it was exceptionally easy to steal it and get an easy 2.

Sure, it is a video game and if you can beat the system, why not right? Well, personally, if you allow things like the double pass and being able to steal the inbounds it takes a lot of skill out of the game, but also a lot of fun.

BTW, Gibs used to ALWAYS steal the inbounds even though we set up the rules so you wernt supposed to. Kid was way too illegit.

I honestly think unless you really expand your play book to where your running at least 10 sets a game your pretty much a tourny baller. The playbooks are tiny now. I see the seahawks run gun doubles wing or flex wing whatever it is out of the GB playbook. My point is if you play against dalles your going to see fip trips strong close full house and snugs. If you play against SF or NO your going to see undercenter snugs. If you play against CIN or INDY your going to see gn bunch TE. The playbooks are so small that you are basicly going to see the best that book has to offer. My point is that you cant really say you are a sim baller unless you use most of the playbook expesically this year.


On a side note it was a good mad-den

SasserAssassin wrote:

I honestly think unless you really expand your play book to where your running at least 10 sets a game your pretty much a tourny baller. The playbooks are tiny now. I see the seahawks run gun doubles wing or flex wing whatever it is out of the GB playbook. My point is if you play against dalles your going to see fip trips strong close full house and snugs. If you play against SF or NO your going to see undercenter snugs. If you play against CIN or INDY your going to see gn bunch TE. The playbooks are so small that you are basicly going to see the best that book has to offer. My point is that you cant really say you are a sim baller unless you use most of the playbook expesically this year.


On a side note it was a good mad-den

^^^^^ This!!

GunfusedX wrote:

havent seem to see the vid yet but madden is madden only certain things work and you have to use them to your advantage... nanos, drags, streaks

everything works...just a matter of when to use it.

well fake punt pass or fake spike pass...i doubt those work..lol



I think people get the wrong idea of a sim player...sim players dont just run everything random or use every set in the book, they play the game like on sundays, as realistic as possible. they can make adjustments, audible ( but dont audible down from snugs or something)...they just dont abuse the flaws in the game..sim players can also stick to sets that work for them like in real life.. NFL teams stick to what is working for them that game.


Im not saying tourney players abuse the game, but tourney players use whatever they can thats legal to win. There isnt a ton of differences, just tourney players have cut down the amount of plays in their playbooks because of the limited time..They use what works the best rather its their own scheme or someone else's.

One style isnt better then the other. A sim player can lock up a tourney player and vice versa. One thing a sim player has over majority of tourney players is knowledge of the game to where most tourney players just use what works the best in that year of madden.

Megatron_81 wrote:

GunfusedX wrote:

havent seem to see the vid yet but madden is madden only certain things work and you have to use them to your advantage... nanos, drags, streaks

everything works...just a matter of when to use it.

well fake punt pass or fake spike pass...i doubt those work..lol



I think people get the wrong idea of a sim player...sim players dont just run everything random or use every set in the book, they play the game like on sundays, as realistic as possible. they can make adjustments, audible ( but dont audible down from snugs or something)...they just dont abuse the flaws in the game..sim players can also stick to sets that work for them like in real life.. NFL teams stick to what is working for them that game.


Im not saying tourney players abuse the game, but tourney players use whatever they can thats legal to win. There isnt a ton of differences, just tourney players have cut down the amount of plays in their playbooks because of the limited time..They use what works the best rather its their own scheme or someone else's.

One style isnt better then the other. A sim player can lock up a tourney player and vice versa. One thing a sim player has over majority of tourney players is knowledge of the game to where most tourney players just use what works the best in that year of madden.

Good point and something else is they dont really set audibles to get a wr at running back and stuff like that.

another great mad-den episode ! i'am just more interested in getting better at playing the game, and winning more than losing, when you label yourself to something specific, you put a boundary around yourself , there is alot to learn from both types of players!

I love playing, I dislike when playing you can do this, cant do that and usually restrictions seem to work in favor of the offense

prophet wrote:

I love playing, I dislike when playing you can do this, cant do that and usually restrictions seem to work in favor of the offense

I agree...people that have restrictions are generally the ones not worth playing. anything and everything in madden has a counter to it.

glitches do not apply to this.