Elaborating on "Scheming" vs. "Tinkering"

sadly enough i must add another softy to the list of guys from MB who have gone to this whole sad *** charade of stick all game with the raiders....sad, i tell you...sad....

i just refuse to put my time into it anymore....might as well stop posting tips, too...because no one uses them...

Don't do it Zan! I too played someone from here who ran snugs flip all game with Raiders. I did too earlier in year but I try to stay in sb/sg doubles and bunch. Not that it matters -sgibs beat me 35-10 his bears vs. my bills in our c4 game.

I'm always up to discuss something other than snugs flip/stick on aim. I'm tryin to keep the game interesting and improve my scheming skills for next year if not on madden 11

abdaninja wrote:

Megatron_81 wrote:

but zan I totally agree with you....I think I could run the boat or canoe and I never even touched the dallas playbook or seen any twim games. I just seen it so much.. despite the limited features and plays, I still think people can have their own unique offense. If people would take the time just to look at other plays in games or took the time to lab. But since the NFL is a copycat league and since madden is based off the NFL, we caint expect anything less.

yo all my sh!t is real its funnny all my offense with dallas i was using it even b4 gibs was on dallas he was on AZ or atl not sure and doing these certain plays that i did even last yr on madden that i hardly saw especially strong close and i been through most playbooks and i didnt like them i like dallas for every play it has in that book do i abuse certain formations hell yeah cause u cant stop it and it works if its not broke dont fix it im not gunna stop the bleeding til u give me a reason to

all my spread offense i use to use on u and i explained to u to a teeee i see people using it now i was being unique by using it and now everybody does the way i run flip trips and shotty 2 back people have those audibles and use it as well but not like me i run mine a lil different people use it like robots my offense is no robot that audibling to strong close thats just last yrs concepts for me only thing idont see right now is people using my ace and jumbo which i only use on certain occasions ur right its a copy cat league game online now that AM posted this 34 solid no assignment blitz with a 4 play mini scheme ima see that all the time now which is *** iknew about it b4 it was posted jus not my cup of tea if u know what i mean ur corner strike btw i used last yr for a while when i was a scrub but not ace everyone uses now i run my O nothing close to a robot online using a e book ibelive in concepts and taking what the defense is giving me never bought a ebook in my life

ninja u were all about pass balance and NE last year...Lmao, flats, offtackle....that singleback 4 tight snug formation..( ugh caint remember name) U used it in green bay formation....but then again we didnt play too much

Idk I was aiming my message at u or anything, sorry if u got offended....when u used that singleback tight formation and spread O...that was prolly the best offense u used against me.....

ZAN wrote:

sadly enough i must add another softy to the list of guys from MB who have gone to this whole sad *** charade of stick all game with the raiders....sad, i tell you...sad....

i just refuse to put my time into it anymore....might as well stop posting tips, too...because no one uses them...

yah dude I just stick to posting stuff bout defense...lol....people arent gonna switch O...with how effective the boat, canoe, slantouts are....its like paradise to them..

ZAN wrote:

sadly enough i must add another softy to the list of guys from MB who have gone to this whole sad *** charade of stick all game with the raiders....sad, i tell you...sad....

i just refuse to put my time into it anymore....might as well stop posting tips, too...because no one uses them...

Being my first year actually caring a lot about madden, I cannot say that I do not use the DAL playbook similarly to what I have learned from the BOAT. However, I have not thrown slant outs and am truly wanting to learn the game of football correctly. ZAN, I really appreciate the tips you give and would not want you to completely stop. This year I have been taking peoples various random tips and starting to understand the concepts behind them and why they work. Also thank you for posting smartfootball.com, it is always a great read.

Short version for lazy people...: People still appreciate all you do. MB rocks.

Megatron_81 wrote:

abdaninja wrote:

Megatron_81 wrote:

but zan I totally agree with you....I think I could run the boat or canoe and I never even touched the dallas playbook or seen any twim games. I just seen it so much.. despite the limited features and plays, I still think people can have their own unique offense. If people would take the time just to look at other plays in games or took the time to lab. But since the NFL is a copycat league and since madden is based off the NFL, we caint expect anything less.

yo all my sh!t is real its funnny all my offense with dallas i was using it even b4 gibs was on dallas he was on AZ or atl not sure and doing these certain plays that i did even last yr on madden that i hardly saw especially strong close and i been through most playbooks and i didnt like them i like dallas for every play it has in that book do i abuse certain formations hell yeah cause u cant stop it and it works if its not broke dont fix it im not gunna stop the bleeding til u give me a reason to

all my spread offense i use to use on u and i explained to u to a teeee i see people using it now i was being unique by using it and now everybody does the way i run flip trips and shotty 2 back people have those audibles and use it as well but not like me i run mine a lil different people use it like robots my offense is no robot that audibling to strong close thats just last yrs concepts for me only thing idont see right now is people using my ace and jumbo which i only use on certain occasions ur right its a copy cat league game online now that AM posted this 34 solid no assignment blitz with a 4 play mini scheme ima see that all the time now which is *** iknew about it b4 it was posted jus not my cup of tea if u know what i mean ur corner strike btw i used last yr for a while when i was a scrub but not ace everyone uses now i run my O nothing close to a robot online using a e book ibelive in concepts and taking what the defense is giving me never bought a ebook in my life

ninja u were all about pass balance and NE last year...Lmao, flats, offtackle....that singleback 4 tight snug formation..( ugh caint remember name) U used it in green bay formation....but then again we didnt play too much

Idk I was aiming my message at u or anything, sorry if u got offended....when u used that singleback tight formation and spread O...that was prolly the best offense u used against me.....

ur also forgetting my shotty 2 back and snugs of course and strong close i used vs 44 d alot i made that defense my bitch 46 and 34 was better at stopping it and yes i used off tackle but every play liek some kids some kids play liek robots i swear not saying u are one ofthem but u do have tendicies but so do i and ever body else and i know u wernt i was jsu putting it out there that im not of one those kids im sorry i jus beat 2 of my buddies runing shotty 2 back and fullhouse all game nothing else no bunch no stick no snugs and iform to no strong close so i use whatever is effective man thats why iuse dallas for variety honestly i would go back to Green bay but i can stay in shotty 2 back all game which GB does not have and a lil bit of flip trips is nice at times and jus everythin else i love it! even thier spread is better IMO

yeah ur right it was a good offense mixed with spread i felt unique in a way makes the defense one dimensional what i mean by this is they need a D to stop tight flex absolutly which has alot of stuff to b honest sounds funnny but i would go deep even if u blitzed and it worked but yeah mega im not offended in any way jus im not of those guys thats it but yeah i havent played u in a while man

Megatron_81 wrote:

ZAN wrote:

sadly enough i must add another softy to the list of guys from MB who have gone to this whole sad *** charade of stick all game with the raiders....sad, i tell you...sad....

i just refuse to put my time into it anymore....might as well stop posting tips, too...because no one uses them...

yah dude I just stick to posting stuff bout defense...lol....people arent gonna switch O...with how effective the boat, canoe, slantouts are....its like paradise to them..

the boats not even that great at first i was liek i cant stop it its annoying but now idk its whatever to me and im talkin about snugs and bunch thats basically the boat right ?

The more i play the more i realize we're all making excuses, including myself. It's our job to stop plays as a defense. If someone plays just like someone or something we saw before it should be easier to stop, and if it isn't we have 4 quarters to figure it out. Sure most offenses rely on Strong Close and Snugs and whatever else, but Strong Close never has more then what 12 plays? Only about 3 or 4 runs which are run, and no more then 2 passes. Everything is stoppable, regardless of the situation. I use my Eagles and my Titans book, looking for a 3rd book, more on the run heavy side. But yea, we all should really get into practice and put in 100 of lab hours just like Zans buddy. The NFL is a copy cat league, madden is a copy league. It takes a player and skill to create an offense. So this slant out that you're talking about has been LABBED. Don't just go into practice defend it a few time and think great. Zan can i ask you for a favor anyone in that matter?

Can someone tell me the actual slant out, like a Q&A for anyone to answer, preferably gunfused or zan

Like the formation?
Is it on a certain a hash
Is it a certain play
is it smart routed
Can it be hot routed for a simple slant out.

Ant1010 wrote:

The more i play the more i realize we're all making excuses, including myself. It's our job to stop plays as a defense. If someone plays just like someone or something we saw before it should be easier to stop, and if it isn't we have 4 quarters to figure it out. Sure most offenses rely on Strong Close and Snugs and whatever else, but Strong Close never has more then what 12 plays? Only about 3 or 4 runs which are run, and no more then 2 passes. Everything is stoppable, regardless of the situation. I use my Eagles and my Titans book, looking for a 3rd book, more on the run heavy side. But yea, we all should really get into practice and put in 100 of lab hours just like Zans buddy. The NFL is a copy cat league, madden is a copy league. It takes a player and skill to create an offense. So this slant out that you're talking about has been LABBED. Don't just go into practice defend it a few time and think great. Zan can i ask you for a favor anyone in that matter?

Can someone tell me the actual slant out, like a Q&A for anyone to answer, preferably gunfused or zan

Like the formation?
Is it on a certain a hash
Is it a certain play
is it smart routed
Can it be hot routed for a simple slant out.

1. Slant out is a simple hot route and can be run with any play or formation as long as there is a WR split out wide
2. Slant outs are usually ran when your opponent is on either hash mark, however it works better on the left hash for some reason
3. All you have to do is put your far receiver on a slant out toward the sideline
4. Reason it works, is because with little room to run the route the route angle changes which allows your WR to make a quicker cut. The WR then proceeds to bounce off the sideline barrier, thus allowing him to get open.

*However, has long as you have the WR man'd up with someone over the top guarding the sideline you should be able to minimize the effectiveness of this hot route

slant outs are stopped if you just do...

46 inside blitz
show blitz
send coverage deep
contain blitz off the edge where the HB isnt

literally its stopped.

Yea my base is weak 2 deep and ware has picked off many slant outs. Shade safeties out. You need a safety with good pursuit. Or db with good pursuit. once the ball is in the air pursuit is account and no longer zone/man. At leasy thats wat ive concluded

sgibs wrote:

slant outs are stopped if you just do...

46 inside blitz
show blitz
send coverage deep
contain blitz off the edge where the HB isnt

literally its stopped.

That's the thing....Why should I be restricted to 1 play setup to stop this garbage? That's why this game is so bad.

1. Either take the Jets for Revis and Cro (and have to put up with Sanchez...hands down the worst starting QB in Madden)
2. Take the Raiders (like everyone and their father)
3. Use a cockamaney setup like backing up your coverage

....just to stop some broken locomotion that Ian and company are too lazy to test....

LMAO haha good one zan...

I just hope Ian actually privately lurks and reads this....and doesn't write me off as another hater, as he disrespectfully does to anyone who doesn't post at Operation Sports....I don't know video game coding, but I know football well enough to know that Ian either doesn't know football or doesn't care (more than likely the latter of the two) and that his roster editing team can't scout sh*t.