Demo first impressions

the RC era is over. last year you had to defend the fade,post, and the curl at the same time. But now the curl is gone and so is the playmaker which means people must make reads on the defense, find gaps in the zones, and run a lot to open the pass.

Patsfan26 wrote:

the RC era is over. last year you had to defend the fade,post, and the curl at the same time. But now the curl is gone and so is the playmaker which means people must make reads on the defense, find gaps in the zones, and run a lot to open the pass.

What do you mean the curl is gone? I was using curl routes all the time today in Madden 10. I think the rocket catch curl may be gone or reduced in effectivness if that is what you mean.

The RC is extremely difficult to pull off in PS3, i tried probably 3-4 times and it got picked 2 and incomplete 2. All in all, i feel the demo is good and that Madden 10 is a definite upgrade over Madden 09. Good work EA!

OK, I seriously can't believe I am going to say this but I may not even buy Madden this year. I tried to have a open mind and all but frankly I think the thing fucking sucks. This whole tackling thing is complete bullshit. I just played a game against the Cardinals and 3 times their RB plowed up the middle, I stop him after about 3 yards and a few other guys come in to help but the dude doesn't go down... he just keeps pushing and eventually breaks out of the tackles and runs in for the TD. BULLSHIT!!!!

Maybe there is some technique I need to be using to bring the fucker down but I just don't like it. I can see if its just 1 on 1 but I had like 3 guys trying to pull him down. Sorry for the language but I am just really disappointed. I was so looking forward to Madden 10 and now I think I might just scrap it.

This was not just in 1 game mind you, this has been happening to me all day.

I'll give it a week before I make up my mind but so far I think the game sucks balls.

I wouldn't give up on it just yet. Just like any new feature. It will take time to develop the right technique and the knowledge to tackle a player.

I'm just got off work downloading it now.

TRUST ME, I said the same thing about 09! I loved 08 or was atleast good at it. It takes you a while to carve a niche and find out what your good at.

We were very frustrated by 09 and it wasn't a very good game for the style we like to play. Hang in there with Madden 10 and you will like it by September 1st. Atleast you have to have that mindset. It will still bring alot of value on ebay then too.

Ya when the game comes out there will be a video about the new features and how to stop them.

Oh, I wanted to share a couple of things I experienced in a game I played last night - thought it was cool.

First of all, playing as the Steelers I tried to RC a 10 yrd curl. Did LT pass lead up and Ben threw it high to my WR who started to jump high for the ball. A LB who was probably 5-8 yards to the left of my WR ran over and just skied for the ball and caught it 1 handed!!! I mean he actually picked it off with one hand. Never saw that animation before.

Second thing I saw was when I threw to my WR on a corner route, the defender was in man which in 09 means it would have been an easy completion with pass lead to the outside. THe defender closed the gap, turned and swatted it - the ball went right through his arm and my guy caught the ball. I did instant replay to make sure I was not seeing things and the ball literally went right through his forearm unimpeded.

Ok...

My impressions at this point...

Qb takes longer to throw.
-i have already found a way to by pass the auto drop back(we will post later)
- strafing and sprinting back on defense can't happen at the same time.
- I love the user catches on O
-i can still RC everything
- defense works from 09.

That's it from the 3 gms I played last night

And the gameplay is slower than the actual game.

I still hate it but I'm starting to come around. I have noticed that you really have to user stuff a lot more. You can't rely on the CPU to make tackles. You gotta get someone in there and line it up for a solid tackle. And you can't think that 1 guy is going to bring the ball carrier down because most cases, he wont go down. So I guess its like other have said, stick skills are going to be more important than ever.

That is the way it should be. Also the best strategic player should win. Madden is a chess game and it should be treated like it.

Patsfan26 wrote:

That is the way it should be. Also the best strategic player should win. Madden is a chess game and it should be treated like it.

Yeah, I agree. I am still not happy about the breaking tackles aspect. I played a couple of games yesterday where I broke out of gang tackles and ran in for a TD in one case and broke a 30 yard run in the other case. Even though I benefited from it, I felt dirty like I cheated my opponent. That's just not right.

Are you guys not seeing this? I am getting it all the time. It is almost unseen where the ball carrier goes down quickly on first contact with a defender. Do you think that is how it is in real NFL games? I dunno, maybe on running plays that is true but I don't think so when a WR makes a catch. If he get hit right as he catches the ball he goes down hard almost 100% of the time.

I don't know, I'm starting to get used to it so I guess it is not a big deal.

Patsfan26 wrote:

That is the way it should be. Also the best strategic player should win. Madden is a chess game and it should be treated like it.

i agree partially. yes, whoever is the better play caller should win. however, what makes Madden Madden is the element of stick. if i am better at juking, pressing stiff arm at the right moment, or whatever. if you call a play, and i user the safety, and completely read where you're going, and user pick it, even if i call a play where i user my man off of their proper assignment, then i still deserve the ball because i made the better play with my hands.

i3rian 87 wrote:

Patsfan26 wrote:

That is the way it should be. Also the best strategic player should win. Madden is a chess game and it should be treated like it.

i agree partially. yes, whoever is the better play caller should win. however, what makes Madden Madden is the element of stick. if i am better at juking, pressing stiff arm at the right moment, or whatever. if you call a play, and i user the safety, and completely read where you're going, and user pick it, even if i call a play where i user my man off of their proper assignment, then i still deserve the ball because i made the better play with my hands.

Yeah, I agree Brian. I think a combination of excellent stick skills and great knowledge of the game and the ability to make the right calls/reads to counter what the opponent is doing (i.e. the mental aspect of the game) is what it should take to be an elite player. Not one or the other.

I don't want some idiot that knows 2 plays and happens to have great control over the stick to be able to beat me but it is also not fair if stick control means nothing. Should be an equal balance. Since I suck at the sticks, my preference is that a smart player should win out over a great stick, stupid player but that's just me.

Ya it is a combination of the 2

bakagaijin wrote:

Since I suck at the sticks, my preference is that a smart player should win out over a great stick, stupid player but that's just me.

the only way to get better on the stick is to just play and play and play. it will come eventually.

i3rian 87 wrote:

bakagaijin wrote:

Since I suck at the sticks, my preference is that a smart player should win out over a great stick, stupid player but that's just me.

the only way to get better on the stick is to just play and play and play. it will come eventually.

Yeah it's getting better. But I am old so I doubt if I'll ever be able to compete with you young'ns in the stick control area

lol then out strategize us and dont give us a chance 2 make plays with our stick.and honestly i like the new game although i can still make it rain rocket catch(on ps3) with fitz and drag route is somewhat overpowered i like the man coverage bump up but ive found that if u come out in acompressed set against man and motion ur slot reciever out he wont be picked up.

sgibs7 wrote:

Ok...

My impressions at this point...

Qb takes longer to throw.
-i have already found a way to by pass the auto drop back(we will post later)
- strafing and sprinting back on defense can't happen at the same time.
- I love the user catches on O
-i can still RC everything
- defense works from 09.

That's it from the 3 gms I played last night

Hey r u using the same pass leads cuz I can't do it on corners.

chris wrote:

lol then out strategize us and dont give us a chance 2 make plays with our stick.and honestly i like the new game although i can still make it rain rocket catch(on ps3) with fitz and drag route is somewhat overpowered i like the man coverage bump up but ive found that if u come out in acompressed set against man and motion ur slot reciever out he wont be picked up.

When you say the motioned slot is not picked up, do you mean the defender covering him does not move over along with the motion? Or are you just saying that he will not get bumped?

In either case, that seems like a bug that EA will fix once they find out about it (although, how that one would not already be notice during testing, I have no idea).

i mean that he is not picked up when motioned therefore even on press coverage/bump n run he wont be bumped so its pretty much both.