Vince Young will not be back to Tennessee

Because of the TALENT?

OK. Maybe if some team wants to STUPIDLY wager a first round pick on pure combine talent....

By that TALENT theory...teams need to look at this guy:



This guy is far and away a top 3 linebacker if Newton is a top 3 QB...

zan just saying the experts said it no matter what you think, they study this and when he wins the national championship it will add more to his resume he went undefeated in the best college fb conference hes a winner and a guy who i want on my team.

Newton is good Gunfused, don't get me wrong...but pure athleticism at the QB position rarely works...I don't think it's worth gambling MILLIONS of dollars (maybe it is if this CBA comes through and caps rookie salary...)

Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham....those are the most recent STUD qbs that got by on athleticism...and they had hell of a lot better arms than Cam Newton....

And what if Oregon straight up bottles him up on the run game and his arm gets exposed for what it is (strong but unreliable in the accuracy department)...does he become what he REALLY is (an early 2nd AT BEST) then?

Lol Troy Smith was a winner he won the Heisman how did he turn out.
Jamarcus Russell was READY for the NFL how did he turn out.
If analysts are sooo special and smart how did they miss out on Tom Brady?

Analysts are rarely ever right except for like the first 6 picks which anybody could figure out and i don't feel embarrassed at all lol

true, but im just going by what the scouts are saying bro... anyways im betting the load up on cam he better fight.

Kiper gave the falcons draft a D....the man can most deff be wrong lol

GunfusedX wrote:

he won the heisman and i can GURANTEE he goes to someone, before the 2nd round .

Heisman means nothing though. Lets see:

08 - Sam Bradford - so far so good
07 - Tim Tebow - decent in a few starts, honestly we cant judge yet
06 - Troy Smith - not good
05 - Reggie Bush - better than average, but is a bigger threat than he is a playmaker so far
04 - Matt Leinhart - sucks
03 - Jason White - undrafted, played practice squad with Titans in 05, never played beyond that
02 - Carson Palmer - to be fair, a little above average in the NFL, but not great by any means
01 - Eric Crouch - hahaha, tried to play WR and was crushed in a Pre-season game for the Rams and retired the next day
00 - Chris Weinke -Played for Panthers for a while, but sucked.

Moral of the story, is that at this point, you probably don't want to be a Heisman winner if you're entering the draft.

Newton will prob go mid to late 2nd round, either that or 3rd round, but he is by no means going to tear it up immediately in the Pros IMO

lol at tom brady it wasnt the analyst fault more of the scouts bro, get your facts straight the anaylist had nothing to do with him getting drafted in the 6th round or whatever they dont pick the players they predict the scouts pick... NEXT

i3rian 87 wrote:

GunfusedX wrote:

he won the heisman and i can GURANTEE he goes to someone, before the 2nd round .

Heisman means nothing though. Lets see:

08 - Sam Bradford - so far so good
07 - Tim Tebow - decent in a few starts, honestly we cant judge yet
06 - Troy Smith - not good
05 - Reggie Bush - better than average, but is a bigger threat than he is a playmaker so far
04 - Matt Leinhart - sucks
03 - Jason White - undrafted, played practice squad with Titans in 05, never played beyond that
02 - Carson Palmer - to be fair, a little above average in the NFL, but not great by any means
01 - Eric Crouch - hahaha, tried to play WR and was crushed in a Pre-season game for the Rams and retired the next day
00 - Chris Weinke -Played for Panthers for a while, but sucked.

Moral of the story, is that at this point, you probably don't want to be a Heisman winner if you're entering the draft.

Newton will prob go mid to late 2nd round, either that or 3rd round, but he is by no means going to tear it up immediately in the Pros IMO

again everyone but you guys have newton going in the first round next...

ZAN wrote:

By the way....is Mel Kiper getting paid by Cam's Future Agent to say that he's a first round pick and to hype his stock??????

You could argue that every website/person/writer gets that too. There really is no way of knowing. I know that there was something about this with Kiper in the news fairly recently about this, but whatever. If the scouts and drafters are really going based on what Kiper and McShay are saying then they are out of their minds. Those two know their stuff, but so do a lot of the people working in the front offices of the NFL.

GunfusedX wrote:

i3rian 87 wrote:

GunfusedX wrote:

he won the heisman and i can GURANTEE he goes to someone, before the 2nd round .

Heisman means nothing though. Lets see:

08 - Sam Bradford - so far so good
07 - Tim Tebow - decent in a few starts, honestly we cant judge yet
06 - Troy Smith - not good
05 - Reggie Bush - better than average, but is a bigger threat than he is a playmaker so far
04 - Matt Leinhart - sucks
03 - Jason White - undrafted, played practice squad with Titans in 05, never played beyond that
02 - Carson Palmer - to be fair, a little above average in the NFL, but not great by any means
01 - Eric Crouch - hahaha, tried to play WR and was crushed in a Pre-season game for the Rams and retired the next day
00 - Chris Weinke -Played for Panthers for a while, but sucked.

Moral of the story, is that at this point, you probably don't want to be a Heisman winner if you're entering the draft.

Newton will prob go mid to late 2nd round, either that or 3rd round, but he is by no means going to tear it up immediately in the Pros IMO

again everyone but you guys have newton going in the first round next...

Right, but that is just because of his athleticism. Nothing else. I wouldn't want him on my team, but if I am Miami, I might take a chance on him because they need a QB and he can run wildcat... maybe they develop him into a better, pro style QB, or maybe an H-back or slot receiver. I like him because I like athletes.

ZAN wrote:

While that run is super impressive...wasn't Tebow wowing us like that WITH HIS FEET for years? And Vince Young, before that? I think Cam Newton is a poor man's VY at this point (I think he will have a better NFL career than VY, though). The SEC, by my argument had one of it's thinner years, despite dominating the Big Ten in bowl games this year...which made Newton really stand out....Bama's D was good, but down by it's standard. LSU's D was probably the best in the SEC. Florida was wayyyy down....South Carolina was way up, but still no match for Auburn...

1. Wasn't aware Luck went to STANDFROD in that video....

2. Why are the Bears picking 14th in this mock?! They won't be picking any higher than 26 this year....


That mock you posted is a joke. If Mel Kiper or Todd McShay have Cam Newton going top 15, then the QB class is MUCH THINNER than I had thought.

Luck, Mallet, Gabbart, Moore, and Keenum all possess better NFL arms than Newton....

you said it zan not me bro lol.

lmaoooooooooooooooooo.

pro whats your thing now your going to bash newton on? he wins bro, thats it and thats all he just wins.

kinda like brady there is no arguement that he can win...

If Luck, Mallet, Gabbert, and Moore don't all go before Newton, teams are selling themselves short....that's my opinion....

ZAN wrote:

If Luck, Mallet, Gabbert, and Moore don't all go before Newton, teams are selling themselves short....that's my opinion....

Agreed. Way better value. Pocket passer are more successful as a whole than scramblers/qb's looking to run.

Vick is having a great year, and Big Ben scrambles pretty damned well behind the line of scrimmage, but historically look at the best QB's in football... they were mostly pocket passers. Guys who read and reacted and threw BULLIES!!! (bulls-eyes)

GunfusedX wrote:

kinda like brady there is no arguement that he can win...

Ok im back

But Analysts go by what scouts say that is correct there still the one's predicting the picks by what they see on TV. They don't specifically go to scouts and ask for what they did in the combine. They look at the game film see what he does right and what they do wrong they dont just go and ask " hey is this guy good, can he throw, is he smart, good character ok then it sound like he's a first round pick to me". NOOO they don't do that he's a winner but a lot of people where winners in college but their careers don't turn out too great for example Ryan Leaf.

Why are you so hard headed about this lol. Trust me I know a bit more about football than you do.

true bro, we all know that mallet and luck and others may be better that wasnt the argument the argument was whos going earlier in the draft therefore i supported my case the best .

We will take Vince with open arms here in Minnesota:)

Pro InstinctZ wrote:

GunfusedX wrote:

kinda like brady there is no arguement that he can win...

Ok im back

But Analysts go by what scouts say that is correct there still the one's predicting the picks by what they see on TV. They don't specifically go to scouts and ask for what they did in the combine. They look at the game film see what he does right and what they do wrong they dont just go and ask " hey is this guy good, can he throw, is he smart, good character ok then it sound like he's a first round pick to me". NOOO they don't do that he's a winner but a lot of people where winners in college but their careers don't turn out too great for example Ryan Leaf.

Why are you so hard headed about this lol. Trust me I know a bit more about football than you do.

lol at you saying you know more about football than me... jumping to conclusions? first way to lose a argument with no facts but how do you figure im going on the argument not the past you guys dont realize that the scouts go on what they did in college they can predict what they do in the pros... thats why some or alot turn out as bust they go for winners... tom brady wasn't great in college thats why he was overlooked... there is always a diamond in the rough...

THE ARGUMENT was never that cam newton is better than mallet and other guys it was that newton will get drafted higher bro. again i supported facts you supported nothing.

LEAF was a winner in college he was drafted first... they go by how they perform in college they cant predict the future bro.
and to all college football fans you all know leaf was one hell of a college quaterback.

NEXT

GunfusedX wrote:

true bro, we all know that mallet and luck and others may be better that wasnt the argument the argument was whos going earlier in the draft therefore i supported my case the best .

Not really you posted links to mock drafts where the order of the draft was wrong. And you also got to think you said that he would go in the middle of the first round. A lot of teams that need QB are in the beginning to middle of the draft and there are at least 4 quarterbacks that are more NFL ready than Newton is. Teams with later picks are playoff teams are teams that were just on the cusp of making the playoffs those teams don't need quarterbacks and if they need a quarterback for the future their not gonna pick Cam Newton cause they don't need a QB immediately they can wait for a quarterback in later drafts that's more skill and NFL ready.