ne1 else think this game is in a regression?

i mean at this point i can go into a game and pretty much call what my opponent is going to run...

it appears to me that there is a new block for players... it seems that the players who were creative in their game plans are moving backwards and are now contempt to running Contain blitz's or face throwing streaks/slant outs etc

now i know its madden 11s flavor of the year, and next year u can expect the same wit w/e works then, but it feels like originality in this game took a giant step backwards..

i mean i go into random games with the intention of trying new books out, new Ds, and it just really boring playing against the same d same 2 routes on O every down, every game...

gimme ps2/xbox madden back!

/rant

I think so and nowadays everybody running the same defense and offense. I never went into a game and once said wow I never saw this defense or offense. I do the same thing when I go into ranked gm,just picking random playbooks.

i defitnly agree with this.
i run the contain D but i new about before it got on these sits.( not saying i came up with it... i didnt)
it seems like everyone runs snugs with a streak slant out and drag and strong close

like i use contain blitzes, i sit in practice mode, trying it in different formations different setups i try and make things my own, runnin stock setups is just boring and lame (IMO)

i actually cant wait for Harrisburg... hopefully i see something new...

without sites, i would say around 75% of the kids who play this game would not be able to do a d@mn thing...


this site is kinda an exception because its more on concepts... even tho people just run exact setups... but u know where im going with.

sick of snugs first and foremost. the main reason i put down the game
irritated of str close
everything else im cool with, irked a lil bit, but still col with it

as said every online game u will see snugs without fail....i get more enjoyment out of labbing and playing the cpu

the main reason I hopped online in 06-07 was so i could get away from the cpu...they just ran the same old stuff....oh how the shoes on the other foot

WasItTehChad wrote:

without sites, i would say around 75% of the kids who play this game would not be able to do a d@mn thing...


this site is kinda an exception because its more on concepts... even tho people just run exact setups... but u know where im going with.

even with sites 90% of your 75% still cant do a d@mn thing

its pretty sad when i can pick the game up in December and lab up 1 formation and bullshit some other plays and i have the record that i have

I can deal with bunch formations or anything
Else but snugs is hell to deal with and it kills when gamers stay in it all game,am like are you serious

i can honstly say the more I use the 5 formations of success the more fun the game is for me.

not only does it work but there is great satisfaction reading the defense and then picking your poison.

Some might not get enjoyment out of audibling down to strong close looking for a HB toss and then seeing them load up for hte dive and user the toss and then I audile to a counter for a 25 yard gain.

I see why people might get annoyed with seeing the same thing over and over and I personally believe (from my experiance) that people are content with running what works.

However you can run what works (5 sets for success) and have a LOT OF FUN DOING IT>

Lotto and Ryan care to share on this? Adam?

I have to say on this topic that I made a run at a league championship using these same beliefs and ideas, I am by far not the most talented madden player by any means but sometimes madden breaks back down to the simple things in football, Its all a chess match and once someone figures out the gimmicks and a good player will like gibs, He knows when im going to run what by simply seeing my formations and because I have "money plays" from those formations.. In real football u have to pound the rock and in madden that should be no differnt.. I try to have a scheme not a few money plays now since gibs showed me how a person can smash me when i played like that, sure u can use the same plays over and over but eventually if u dont have balance and some sort of scheme u may get beat by a good player..

The game is still new to me. When I started I learned "money" plays and had some good success. However against seasoned players I would get totally destroyed. They would simply take those plays away leaving me to pick plays on the fly - not a good thing for a noob who was still learning to read coverage and had zero clue how to read pressure. I bought into the 5 sets for success 100% and applied it to my offensive playbook. I read the defense and audible to plays based on the read I make. Each set has a specific strength and I simply select the one that I believe gives me the greatest chance for success. Then I added a mini scheme that I run at the beginning of my games until my opponent shows they can stop it before revealing my actual offense - sometimes they don't get to see it before half time. Just depends on the player. Recently had a great C-4 game with SJack. I ended up losing the game 42-38 on a bad read in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes to go. I also had 2 great games vs Jeter in the C4. Jeter is an awesome player and was very complimentary of my development. I was fortunate until recently to be able to lab with Chad , who used to lay a 50 or 60 burger on me every time. The last few were much closer. Without this blue print - there is no way I could have even hoped to be in that position against such great players. That is not to say I am remotely close to being in the same league with them or players of their caliber but I am making progress towards that goal.

Parity is a fact of life in ANY game. Look at the NFL - the wildcat, west coast offense and zone blitz schemes are perfect examples. Teams have all developed a form because it is successful. Most coaches do not have the luxury of extended research and development to be Original. Same for a lot of Madden players - I personally work 830am-11pm nearly 7days a week. I trade sleep to play Madden I play from 12am to 3am, then sleep from 3am to 630am before going back to work. I simply don't have the luxury to lab for hours on end if I hope to play a few games with my friends. That being said if you you've seen it all and know it all - then you should be able to lock it up - if you do players will have no choice but to innovate and come up with something new or they will fail.

I can only speak for myself but the frustration is just seeing the same thing over and over not so much in defending what they do (offensively/defensively)

Of course in the elite circles everyone will be running about the same things. Since 08 to my knowledge it has been that way (pats and atl O)

But the online circuit was usually the escape from the repetition in plays for the most part (even though there are cult playbooks every year)

Although online for the most part you would still see the same tourney teams (still hate that lol)

But this year is the year where playing the online circuit has become exactly like playing the tourney circuit (although the skill isnt there), playstyle and teams. which sucksssssss

you cant play competitively and escape the conformity ...the only escape is for me to put the game down or just lab


(idea... some1 needs to throw a tourney where snugs,flip trips, and str/wk/i form tight is banned.....its a cool concept for this time of the year...prob the best player wont win but the person who has the most diverse offense and whoever can adapt to change will win....and it could get interesting lol)

As soon as I learned not to get sick, irked, irritated, mad from this game...I felt much better playing it.

Lost last night to this dude running strong close almost all game but it's all good...he out played me straight up...boring? sometimes. But my fault for doing nothing to get him out of the formation either.

Well the object to most players is to win the game. If its working why would they change? They don't play with the objective to wow and delight their opponent with a fresh, exotic never before seen offense or defense - unless they get locked up consistently. And whether their opponent is bored or not has ZERO weight in their mind. But let's all remember - at the end of the day. Its just a game, we all CHOOSE to play for fun. I would say if it is not fun for you any more. Load up a new game and let this one rest for awhile or retire it and wait for Madden 12.

LOTT0042 wrote:

Well the object to most players is to win the game. If its working why would they change? They don't play with the objective to wow and delight their opponent with a fresh, exotic never before seen offense or defense - unless they get locked up consistently. And whether their opponent is bored or not has ZERO weight in their mind. But let's all remember - at the end of the day. Its just a game, we all CHOOSE to play for fun. I would say if it is not fun for you any more. Load up a new game and let this one rest for awhile or retire it and wait for Madden 12.

WELL SAID, BRUH!!

slant outs ruined the game its jus so ridiculous that even against the best corners they look stupid bc the guy is running this route..

I'm not saying that slant outs aren't effective, cause we all know they are...but they can get snatched.

WasItTehChad wrote:

like i use contain blitzes, i sit in practice mode, trying it in different formations different setups i try and make things my own, runnin stock setups is just boring and lame (IMO)

i actually cant wait for Harrisburg... hopefully i see something new...

you won't.

ik... but im giving my ability to hope a chance...

I dont think the game is in a regression, U have to admit it has gotten better every year... They cut down on alot of features and plays which limits what people can do..with that I do agree. The goal of madden is to simulate real NFL football, the gameplay needs more work, it seems like they fix one problem (flats) then other problems arise (slantouts), they fix the RC stick, but now we have facethrows...its like we trade one set of issues for another..

I totally agree with the originality part.. I played Tdavis in the conference title.. ok... then tell me why I see people running the exact same $hit and audibles as he did.. I was LMAO..
I wont hold it against new people who just came on to the game, cause they want somethin that works.. but the guys that been on the block, I caint see how they pride themselves on copin others rather its one specific play (canoe) or an entire scheme...

I do get tired of people using the same plays like stick, bench switch, y-trail, verticals, mesh... the popular plays, I dont have any problems defending those plays, but seeing the same ish over and over makes me wonder in awe.

this game has not got better every year, are u kidding me?

every year its getting easier and easier so EA can reach a broader community so any1 can pick up the controller and just play.

compare Madden 08/09/10/11(360/ps3), to madden 05/06/07(xbox/ps2), and we'll see what game triumphs in pure game play.

WasItTehChad wrote:

this game has not got better every year, are u kidding me?

every year its getting easier and easier so EA can reach a broader community so any1 can pick up the controller and just play.

compare Madden 08/09/10/11(360/ps3), to madden 05/06/07(xbox/ps2), and we'll see what game triumphs in pure game play.

dude madden 10 woould b a perfect GAME IMO if they jus fixed the flats and deep ball and changed the RC how it is now i wouldnt hav a problem with the game even though a gap blitzes wer hell last yr but there was always a way to pick it up ..nonetheless this yr now outside heat rules ..a gap goes outside heat rises the flats wernt even that terrible last yr they still suck this yr u can play a cover 2 vs stick and hell catch that for positive yards still ! .. i do like the running on madden 11 more its more so realistic although the run Defense shud b a lil better . but yeah whatever .


anyways to some it up i cant b unique anymoree in this game i was b4 but not anymoree i feel like everythin i do is boring n lame n i dnt really hav fun playing offense anymore and im tired of getting face throw on defense in yellow zones man ,whatever .

Well I'm pretty guilty of running Americas O. NO and Car. But I ran NO last yr and lived in snugs and audibled to str close and gun tight. I'm not sure how original you can be in madden right now and win. If you have something people haven't seen you will be successful just hard to find it in these garbage playbooks.

its impossible to be orignal at this point in the game.
and everyone clames something if its good lol

SasserAssassin wrote:

its impossible to be orignal at this point in the game.
and everyone clames something if its good lol

thats just ego....people really need to check themselves. In theory there are tons of things for people to claim. But in actuality there are very few things (that hit the main stage) that even deserve to be claimed.

But originality is still easy to achieve in the game, its just a crutch when people blame the originality problem on limited plays/playbooks
there are 32 team specific offense playbooks and like 5 generic books

there are many many formations to chose from....the same concepts work from just about all of them