Originality ????

Lately ive been seeing alot of people wishing Madden 11 would bring back originality. bring back formation shifts. i hate to be the bearer of bad news but originality is here and has always been here. formation shifts wont bring back originality just more glitchy offenses....smh. the reason why alot of yall feel originality has left madden is cause of the internet and e-books. people stopped tryin to come up with their own stuff and just rely on someone else to create an offense or defense for them. NOW I UNDERSTAND FARLS AND GIBS MAKE EBOOKS, SO IM NOT KNOCKING THEM AT ALL. I just want yall to use what they provide to u as ideas to add to ur own gameplan. thats the only way originality will truly be alive for u all again.

Madden's been out for 9 months, ive been using the same playbook the whole time and im still coming up with good plays! Hit the books!

gFF_VaBeach757 wrote:

Lately ive been seeing alot of people wishing Madden 11 would bring back originality. bring back formation shifts. i hate to be the bearer of bad news but originality is here and has always been here. formation shifts wont bring back originality just more glitchy offenses....smh. the reason why alot of yall feel originality has left madden is cause of the internet and e-books. people stopped tryin to come up with their own stuff and just rely on someone else to create an offense or defense for them. NOW I UNDERSTAND FARLS AND GIBS MAKE EBOOKS, SO IM NOT KNOCKING THEM AT ALL. I just want yall to use what they provide to u as ideas to add to ur own gameplan. thats the only way originality will truly be alive for u all again.

Madden's been out for 9 months, ive been using the same playbook the whole time and im still coming up with good plays! Hit the books!

EXCELLENT POINT!!

VaBeach, i like what you say here. i actualy run the Baltimore Ravens Obook. where is the Ebook on that? ohhhhh...there is none! although i am slowly making one for myself. lol! therefore, like you say, my stuff is original! i think that Ebooks and Guides are wonderful tools to help "jump-start" your offense or defense however, the "BEST" formations and plays to me are the ones that "I" come up with myself.

i am throwing stuff at cats out of the Ravens Obook that they are not use to seeing (even though i am getting blasted in my 1st EAFL season...lol) on the regular like the, SB: F Pair Twins and the Strong: H Pro, Strong: Twins and the Strong: H Tight sets. i utilize the Gun: Raven Trips and Gun: Raven Empty formations quite a bit. i have used Gibs and Zfarls "5 Formations to Success" article to formulate "my own" stuff! and while gleening from what someone else does is not a bad thing....to totally give up your own creativity is!

~Mili

gFF_VaBeach757 wrote:

Lately ive been seeing alot of people wishing Madden 11 would bring back originality. bring back formation shifts. i hate to be the bearer of bad news but originality is here and has always been here. formation shifts wont bring back originality just more glitchy offenses....smh. the reason why alot of yall feel originality has left madden is cause of the internet and e-books. people stopped tryin to come up with their own stuff and just rely on someone else to create an offense or defense for them. NOW I UNDERSTAND FARLS AND GIBS MAKE EBOOKS, SO IM NOT KNOCKING THEM AT ALL. I just want yall to use what they provide to u as ideas to add to ur own gameplan. thats the only way originality will truly be alive for u all again.

Madden's been out for 9 months, ive been using the same playbook the whole time and im still coming up with good plays! Hit the books!

thank you!!!! I have used ATL offense all year and I got over 300 plays...

Lets use the balanced pb Post corners for an example.......you dont have to max protect, and you dont have to have both recevers running those routes..You can use motion with your RB's..Since the play was run on this site, and then leaked out to just about every site....every site runs it the same way, so all of their players (mostly) run it the same way. And that isnt a shot at madden bible (since I think this is the best site), its more of a shot at all the other sites out.....

He!! I even got my own version of post corners in ATL (good enough anyway)...shhh im not telling

gFF_VaBeach757 wrote:

Lately ive been seeing alot of people wishing Madden 11 would bring back originality. bring back formation shifts. i hate to be the bearer of bad news but originality is here and has always been here. formation shifts wont bring back originality just more glitchy offenses....smh. the reason why alot of yall feel originality has left madden is cause of the internet and e-books. people stopped tryin to come up with their own stuff and just rely on someone else to create an offense or defense for them. NOW I UNDERSTAND FARLS AND GIBS MAKE EBOOKS, SO IM NOT KNOCKING THEM AT ALL. I just want yall to use what they provide to u as ideas to add to ur own gameplan. thats the only way originality will truly be alive for u all again.

Madden's been out for 9 months, ive been using the same playbook the whole time and im still coming up with good plays! Hit the books!

I know what you mean. I got sick of being predictable so I've come up with a LOT more plays.. I've got several unbumps now because I "hit the books" .. I've found a bunch of plays that have just provided variety to my game.

i've purchased a few ebooks. mainly outta curiosity and to show support. and have give respect to those who came up with a lot of great concepts. i've used a lot of what i've learned from other's.

but when it comes down to it. i still use the titans offensive and defensive pb's. i don't know anyone else that uses the titans offensive pb so i had no choice but to be creative.

and after using the titans, pass balanced, balanced, and NO... offense is more about concepts and not being predictable.

so yeah, i agree with the OP.

jayfury wrote:

i've purchased a few ebooks. mainly outta curiosity and to show support. and have give respect to those who came up with a lot of great concepts. i've used a lot of what i've learned from other's.

but when it comes down to it. i still use the titans offensive and defensive pb's. i don't know anyone else that uses the titans offensive pb so i had no choice but to be creative.

and after using the titans, pass balanced, balanced, and NO... offense is more about concepts and not being predictable.

so yeah, i agree with the OP.

curiosity killed the cat

form shifts will absolutely bring back creativity.

as far as creativity is concerned Next gen maddens DO NOT HAVE the creativty that they once did.

if you went to a tournament back on ps2 days you could watch what someone was doing for hours and never truly know what they were doing. you could try and mimic it but it wasent as easy as it is today.

now you go to a tournament...watch a few games...then everyone and there mother knows what your doing. Form shifts disguised what u were doing and allowed MORE playbooks to use.

FORM SHIFTS can save NG Madden IMO

sgibs7 wrote:

form shifts will absolutely bring back creativity.

as far as creativity is concerned Next gen maddens DO NOT HAVE the creativty that they once did.

if you went to a tournament back on ps2 days you could watch what someone was doing for hours and never truly know what they were doing. you could try and mimic it but it wasent as easy as it is today.

now you go to a tournament...watch a few games...then everyone and there mother knows what your doing. Form shifts disguised what u were doing and allowed MORE playbooks to use.

FORM SHIFTS can save NG Madden IMO

I disagree. Them formation shifts were cheesy to me. You had WR lining up in TE spots. Then sometimes even at running back. That's why people had to play quarters defense the whole game and audible down from that. This madden is as close to real as ever and I hope it keeps getting better. EA added more packaging from the play call screen. That should be enough.

custom packages would add 10x originality
I cant wait for EA to pull the trigger on this

WFColonel56 wrote:

custom packages would add 10x originality
I cant wait for EA to pull the trigger on this

Can you give me an example colonel? That you like to see EA do

mdolla wrote:

WFColonel56 wrote:

custom packages would add 10x originality
I cant wait for EA to pull the trigger on this

Can you give me an example colonel? That you like to see EA do

He doesn't mean specific ones that they add in.. just set a name for a package, and it will have all the players you want subbed in at a certain time. Say if I want to blitz instead of just using coverage... I'll have a blitz package with faster players.. Zone blitz? I'll have more agile DTs/DEs in so they can drop back in coverage.

wangtangkiki wrote:

mdolla wrote:

WFColonel56 wrote:

custom packages would add 10x originality
I cant wait for EA to pull the trigger on this

Can you give me an example colonel? That you like to see EA do

He doesn't mean specific ones that they add in.. just set a name for a package, and it will have all the players you want subbed in at a certain time. Say if I want to blitz instead of just using coverage... I'll have a blitz package with faster players.. Zone blitz? I'll have more agile DTs/DEs in so they can drop back in coverage.

Ok that's alright. I don't have a problem with that at all. Even on offense you might can have a hands package for all you best wr,rb,te that can catch or say a speed package. I just hated when dudes use to audible to say Randy Moss to TE and have him do a corner route from that position.

mdolla wrote:

wangtangkiki wrote:

mdolla wrote:

WFColonel56 wrote:

custom packages would add 10x originality
I cant wait for EA to pull the trigger on this

Can you give me an example colonel? That you like to see EA do

He doesn't mean specific ones that they add in.. just set a name for a package, and it will have all the players you want subbed in at a certain time. Say if I want to blitz instead of just using coverage... I'll have a blitz package with faster players.. Zone blitz? I'll have more agile DTs/DEs in so they can drop back in coverage.

Ok that's alright. I don't have a problem with that at all. Even on offense you might can have a hands package for all you best wr,rb,te that can catch or say a speed package. I just hated when dudes use to audible to say Randy Moss to TE and have him do a corner route from that position.

Yeah I see what you mean, but I don't really mind that.. People are put at different positions all the time to trick the defense.. The KC Chiefs had Brodie Croyle at punter.. Denver(aka my team =P) thought that it was the punter.. They did a fake punt throw, it was incomplete but they tried it and it almost worked... It happens more than you think..

Formation shifting obviously gives people 100 million times more ability to create new looks and plays ..... so in that sense, yes it will help creativity, but also it can be very unrealistic, with people in weird spots n such, but you can already do that, so it will only make it more easy ...

overall I'm in favor of it because it happens in the nfl and it did make for a great game with the positive outweighing the negative on ps2

Bibleman wrote:

Formation shifting obviously gives people 100 million times more ability to create new looks and plays ..... so in that sense, yes it will help creativity, but also it can be very unrealistic, with people in weird spots n such, but you can already do that, so it will only make it more easy ...

overall I'm in favor of it because it happens in the nfl and it did make for a great game with the positive outweighing the negative on ps2

everyone has to agree.. Madden 10 is the best madden to date on the new systems. Right? I'm just saying I don't want dudes in goal line offense doing toss plays to Harvin or desean Jackson. Madden has enough offense. They need to focus more on defense. But ps2 was fun. I'm just trying to get it as close to possible to real Sunday football.

mdolla wrote:

Bibleman wrote:

Formation shifting obviously gives people 100 million times more ability to create new looks and plays ..... so in that sense, yes it will help creativity, but also it can be very unrealistic, with people in weird spots n such, but you can already do that, so it will only make it more easy ...

overall I'm in favor of it because it happens in the nfl and it did make for a great game with the positive outweighing the negative on ps2

everyone has to agree.. Madden 10 is the best madden to date on the new systems. Right? I'm just saying I don't want dudes in goal line offense doing toss plays to Harvin or desean Jackson. Madden has enough offense. They need to focus more on defense. But ps2 was fun. I'm just trying to get it as close to possible to real Sunday football.

u can already do that ....

which further backs up my point .... if you want to have wr's in weird spots u can do that .... but with formation shifting you will get added play possibilities ...

peeps would glitch the fk outa formation shifts

shane_rlly2 wrote:

peeps would glitch the fk outa formation shifts

AGREE 1000000000%

For those of u who never played on ps2, if yall think people audibling from snugs to goaline is bad. thats NOTHING compared to how broken the game would be if they brought back formation shifts.

^^^^^ i dont care who u r youve got to admit the idea of audibling from snugs to goaline and vice versa is ridiculous. you
shouldnt be able to go from 5 wide receivers to a goaline. and have effective blocking

they should make it if you are in 3 wide or more you cant audible to something with less than 2 receiver set if they are going
for realism. also TEs shouldnot be allowed to play number 1 or number2 receiver. slot is cool because they have packages for
it(ex: TE slot). but you should not be able to put TE in at 1 0r 2 in depth chart

xHHx_RAMFESTIVAL wrote:

^^^^^ i dont care who u r youve got to admit the idea of audibling from snugs to goaline and vice versa is ridiculous. you shouldnt be able to go from 5 wide receivers to a goaline. and have effective blocking

Rams you and vabeach are right! It's not real

xHHx_RAMFESTIVAL wrote:

^^^^^ i dont care who u r youve got to admit the idea of audibling from snugs to goaline and vice versa is ridiculous. you
shouldnt be able to go from 5 wide receivers to a goaline. and have effective blocking

They should fix the game. Blocking ratings do not matter. You are right. You shouldn't have the same blocking with 5 WRs that you have with 3 TEs and 2 extra OL.

formation shifts to me is already possible because you can audible to another play and get another formation and then do a quick audible
plus I don't really see alot of formation shifts in football to begin with very rare
motions yes but changing the formation with the same exact play I don't see alot
usually they change the whole play
that's what audibling is good for I wish they gave you the ability to change audibles from the playcall screen
what's killed originality is the ebooks and internet where people just copycat but more so than that is OVERPOWERED plays like offtackle and the rocket catchable post corners and players who are rewarded for the same stuff every play

if they made things adapt more often and better more relevant completely effective changes and less SCRIPTED players would be forced to change up and not blitz every down or try to nano every play

so the problem with originality and the main reason why hardcore fans have issue with Madden is because it's still lacking sadly as far as realism due to overpowered plays and predictable garbage still deciding games like nanos or rocket catching every play being successful or throwing to the flats blindly when it's Cover 2 zone with the CBs in the flats getting sucked in, offtackle, defensive players magically finding the ball in coverage with their back to the ball

diferent exploits like that have players coming back to their cup of exploits again and again

if you take away the crazy effectiveness of money plays and reduce exploits greatly along with adaptation that happens naturally as far as football is concerned you'll have a great game along with respecting the physics/ ratings of the game like acceleration, strength, awareness

those things will make originality come back when the game is NOT being exploited in the same way game after game play after play because THEY WORK
if the didn't work people wouldn't keep trying them and you'd be force to open your horizons to more plays, playbooks, ways of playing the video game of Madden

Homerunhittas wrote:

formation shifts to me is already possible because you can audible to another play and get another formation and then do a quick audible
plus I don't really see alot of formation shifts in football to begin with very rare
motions yes but changing the formation with the same exact play I don't see alot
usually they change the whole play
that's what audibling is good for I wish they gave you the ability to change audibles from the playcall screen
what's killed originality is the ebooks and internet where people just copycat but more so than that is OVERPOWERED plays like offtackle and the rocket catchable post corners and players who are rewarded for the same stuff every play

if they made things adapt more often and better more relevant completely effective changes and less SCRIPTED players would be forced to change up and not blitz every down or try to nano every play

so the problem with originality and the main reason why hardcore fans have issue with Madden is because it's still lacking sadly as far as realism due to overpowered plays and predictable garbage still deciding games like nanos or rocket catching every play being successful or throwing to the flats blindly when it's Cover 2 zone with the CBs in the flats getting sucked in, offtackle, defensive players magically finding the ball in coverage with their back to the ball

diferent exploits like that have players coming back to their cup of exploits again and again

if you take away the crazy effectiveness of money plays and reduce exploits greatly along with adaptation that happens naturally as far as football is concerned you'll have a great game along with respecting the physics/ ratings of the game like acceleration, strength, awareness

those things will make originality come back when the game is NOT being exploited in the same way game after game play after play because THEY WORK
if the didn't work people wouldn't keep trying them and you'd be force to open your horizons to more plays, playbooks, ways of playing the video game of Madden

FACT!

xHHx_RAMFESTIVAL wrote:

^^^^^ i dont care who u r youve got to admit the idea of audibling from snugs to goaline and vice versa is ridiculous. you
shouldnt be able to go from 5 wide receivers to a goaline. and have effective blocking

they should make it if you are in 3 wide or more you cant audible to something with less than 2 receiver set if they are going
for realism. also TEs shouldnot be allowed to play number 1 or number2 receiver. slot is cool because they have packages for
it(ex: TE slot). but you should not be able to put TE in at 1 0r 2 in depth chart

Greg Olsen from the Bears and JerMichael Finley for the Packers have lined up numerous times during the Season at WR 1 and 2.