Wall (Not John Wall)

As you all know, I'm very honest about my abilities in this game. I'm not very good...yet. But normally I can hold my own. These past couple of days I feel like I've "madden block". I can't seem to get my offense off the ground and my defense is just easy to beat in both the run and the pass.

What do a lot of you do if you ever feel this way?

this happened to me a long time ago,you need to stick with what you run but restructure it , thats what i did to over come it.

"if it aint broke, dont fix it." just stick to the stuff you know that works.

pretty simple, but effective.

aka slant outs and draws and drags

i could almost gurantee i could not throw a slantout all game and win just as much as i do. its kinda funny though zan, everyone that i played who was good have ran them problem,brusk,danny, lil man, vince so its not like the so called "pros" arent running them bro. its sad but thats what this year has came too, evil ken with the "best o in the game" plays with chargers and chucks alot of slantouts. but thank god there is d for them now.

not to mention brusk threw 23 slantouts in one game on me and i threw 3 and lost to him by 1 because i missed a 2 for the game.

Boldin wrote:

"if it aint broke, dont fix it." just stick to the stuff you know that works.

pretty simple, but effective.

Right now it seems to be broke. I'll run a slant out here and there but only when it is appropriate.


I just really can't move the ball at all. Is maybe moving to a new playbook something to think about or something along those lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meYIbAt2iaQ

Doin the john wall always cheers me up

Your D did good against me yesterday.
3 Pick 6s.
I think you barley got a hundred yards though.
Start and go find a formation with a run left run right and run middle and build off of that.
Thanks

Zan why complain Slant out? How many routes do you throw to WR's? I doubt you throw many outs and ins because they aren't effective. Fade are only effective on the goal line, so please. Do tell!

GunfusedX wrote:

i could almost gurantee i could not throw a slantout all game and win just as much as i do. its kinda funny though zan, everyone that i played who was good have ran them problem,brusk,danny, lil man, vince so its not like the so called "pros" arent running them bro. its sad but thats what this year has came too, evil ken with the "best o in the game" plays with chargers and chucks alot of slantouts. but thank god there is d for them now.

There is? I really don't think there is a single coverage in the game that can consistantly stop a slant out bouncing your DB into an invisible wall on the sideline....Sure, heat neutralizes all...but slant outs are the saddest thing to happen to Madden since...well....the RC curl....

But PM me your "stopper" and maybe I'll be on my way to being a better defensive player, because I'm just mixing up various zone blitzes (Steeler style D over Jets style...zone blitz over man blitz, because man is brutal)

Thanks Sasserr, are you going to be on tonight to get a lab game in?

Umm i wil try to be.
thanks

Ant1010 wrote:

Zan why complain Slant out? How many routes do you throw to WR's? I doubt you throw many outs and ins because they aren't effective. Fade are only effective on the goal line, so please. Do tell!

I beg to differ. Good route running receivers can absolutely MURDER ANY DB/LB on an out route or in route....you also need a good THP quarterback to throw a sideline out route...just like real life....but I find Wayne and Clark running quick outs and square ins to be a big pain....Not as big a pain as a Devin Aromashodu burning Darrelle Revis on a simple flanker slant out, though...That's just ridiculous...

For the record, though...I throw:

1. RC Streak (requires user)
2. Slot Streak (versus zone to a TE)
3. quick out
4. quick in
5. spot route (best route in the game)
6. curls (versus the right zone coverage)
7. flat routes (hardly ever versus man unless uncovered...that's not football lol...that's exploitation)
8. post routes


I mean, I can't name OUT every route, because I'm a schemer. I don't just call a play for one route. I call a play to attack a trend I'm seeing...cover 3, cover 2, man, man bump, coverage d, etc...

The moment I admit to someone that I run slant outs as my base O is the day I need to seriously put down Madden and reanalyze my knowledge of the game....Same goes for draw/stick/bench switch abusers...

90 percent of MB runs Truth's O and Gibs' D....I'm fine with Gibs' D because it kinda (and I use kinda loosely) is a scheme...mixing up zone shells behind a blitz to neutralize quick reads...But snap throwing a flat route/max protecting and throwing a slant out because it unexplicably "works" is a joke and doesn't get you better at the game...maybe you'll have your 15 minutes of fame...


And before someone comes out and says "There is always a different exploit in every Madden..." let me say this....

The reason Problem, Ken, Truth, etc... are good isn't because they face throw a glitch route...it's because they FOUND them....believe me...they are the ones RELEASING this stuff when they are done having fun with it because they've moved on to bigger and better/glitchier things to be good at the game with....They are there every year because they are the ones FINDING this stuff....You ever wonder why the intermediates come and go with every passing Madden (I'm going to use RussBuss as an example here...if you've never heard of him, look him up)...it's because their exploit doesn't carry over and they've wasted 365 days that they could have used to learn Madden/Football on something like a slant out/broken snugs flipped offense that will be corrected in the next year....


Last thing: a lot of the forum chest pounders/big game talkers out there are going to be in for a BIG SHOCK next year/in the future if/when the tournament community gets its revival and all these "tip sites" that aren't there for the actual BENEFIT of the Madden community (over the benefit of their pocket) go back to releasing their sloppy seconds fro 25.95 a pop and their "pros" continually win ever MC because they are the ones who know how Madden works....All these "big boys" this year maybe will have a couple hundred to show for this year due to the lapse in the tourney community....but when it revives, they will go back to anonymity.....period...because purchasing ebooks/spending 60 bucks a year to pose on XBL as a bum that "just wants to play the best", tanking, and ripping an entire game for 5 bucks on saloon is not how Madden is supposed to be....I long for the day where knowing how to beat coverages is more effective than running the flavor of the year exploit...IF/WHEN EA gets some competition to make a good football game, I promise, Madden Bible is going to become the place to be....

chipadelphia wrote:

As you all know, I'm very honest about my abilities in this game. I'm not very good...yet. But normally I can hold my own. These past couple of days I feel like I've "madden block". I can't seem to get my offense off the ground and my defense is just easy to beat in both the run and the pass.

What do a lot of you do if you ever feel this way?

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my last 2 league games were horror shows. defensively I can't get stops. Offensively I've tried running different sets in my book early to "throw off the scent" to no avail.

I'm about to chuck it and just play offline franchise. No frustration there lol

Yes an out roue does determine on route runnings. Curls are pretty random for me. Mostly all my post are smart routed. Yea my base offense is far from slant outs. I use routes and combo's to set up everything. I guess i've never really had a problem with slant outs. I think you just get so frustrated it takes you out your game. Thats what use to happen to me until i realized i had 4 quarters to get my W. Slant outs require a lot of user skill to snag the ball. Eventually it will be a you vs him situation and that's when you snag the ball. I don't play zone, like i never play zone. Idk if man defends it better for me. But i had McCann on DHB for really an entire and i as ok with my outcome. Just don't let your frustration ruin your cool. No one is going to stop doing what they're if it's working. User it early, that way hopefully they forget about it. I will admit, i do come out in Bunch in my Philly scheme and Snugs in my other book scheme, only to read defense. i have a base play out of each that beats man or zone. I don't know if it's a crime or isn't " real football" but i do involve a lot football concepts. No one really plays a lot of zone, so i need to lab more on beating it.

MAYBE I'll DO SLANT OUTS! lol.

One of my biggest problems I think is reading coverage once the ball has been hiked. A lot of times I get tunnel vision towards the receiver I want to throw it to. Once I hit that button I scan the field and realize Dante Stallworth killed his man over the top. It's these things that I have to improve upon while finding myself in a scheme that works for me.

With this block I'm in though, I'm afraid I'll get so frustrated labbing and not finding anything that I just go back to running my one dimensional offense.

Don't look at the WR you're throwing to, i mean you can, but i read the middle of the field. It's no need to look on the outside because it's no more then 1 or 2 people out there. The middle has the bulk. You can also identify pressure from looking at the middle.

Ant1010 wrote:

Don't look at the WR you're throwing to, i mean you can, but i read the middle of the field. It's no need to look on the outside because it's no more then 1 or 2 people out there. The middle has the bulk. You can also identify pressure from looking at the middle.

Good point. I do this occasionally if I'm throwing the lob or slant to the left or right outside WR.

ZAN wrote:

Ant1010 wrote:

Zan why complain Slant out? How many routes do you throw to WR's? I doubt you throw many outs and ins because they aren't effective. Fade are only effective on the goal line, so please. Do tell!

I beg to differ. Good route running receivers can absolutely MURDER ANY DB/LB on an out route or in route....you also need a good THP quarterback to throw a sideline out route...just like real life....but I find Wayne and Clark running quick outs and square ins to be a big pain....Not as big a pain as a Devin Aromashodu burning Darrelle Revis on a simple flanker slant out, though...That's just ridiculous...

For the record, though...I throw:

1. RC Streak (requires user)
2. Slot Streak (versus zone to a TE)
3. quick out
4. quick in
5. spot route (best route in the game)
6. curls (versus the right zone coverage)
7. flat routes (hardly ever versus man unless uncovered...that's not football lol...that's exploitation)
8. post routes


I mean, I can't name OUT every route, because I'm a schemer. I don't just call a play for one route. I call a play to attack a trend I'm seeing...cover 3, cover 2, man, man bump, coverage d, etc...

The moment I admit to someone that I run slant outs as my base O is the day I need to seriously put down Madden and reanalyze my knowledge of the game....Same goes for draw/stick/bench switch abusers...

90 percent of MB runs Truth's O and Gibs' D....I'm fine with Gibs' D because it kinda (and I use kinda loosely) is a scheme...mixing up zone shells behind a blitz to neutralize quick reads...But snap throwing a flat route/max protecting and throwing a slant out because it unexplicably "works" is a joke and doesn't get you better at the game...maybe you'll have your 15 minutes of fame...


And before someone comes out and says "There is always a different exploit in every Madden..." let me say this....

The reason Problem, Ken, Truth, etc... are good isn't because they face throw a glitch route...it's because they FOUND them....believe me...they are the ones RELEASING this stuff when they are done having fun with it because they've moved on to bigger and better/glitchier things to be good at the game with....They are there every year because they are the ones FINDING this stuff....You ever wonder why the intermediates come and go with every passing Madden (I'm going to use RussBuss as an example here...if you've never heard of him, look him up)...it's because their exploit doesn't carry over and they've wasted 365 days that they could have used to learn Madden/Football on something like a slant out/broken snugs flipped offense that will be corrected in the next year....


Last thing: a lot of the forum chest pounders/big game talkers out there are going to be in for a BIG SHOCK next year/in the future if/when the tournament community gets its revival and all these "tip sites" that aren't there for the actual BENEFIT of the Madden community (over the benefit of their pocket) go back to releasing their sloppy seconds fro 25.95 a pop and their "pros" continually win ever MC because they are the ones who know how Madden works....All these "big boys" this year maybe will have a couple hundred to show for this year due to the lapse in the tourney community....but when it revives, they will go back to anonymity.....period...because purchasing ebooks/spending 60 bucks a year to pose on XBL as a bum that "just wants to play the best", tanking, and ripping an entire game for 5 bucks on saloon is not how Madden is supposed to be....I long for the day where knowing how to beat coverages is more effective than running the flavor of the year exploit...IF/WHEN EA gets some competition to make a good football game, I promise, Madden Bible is going to become the place to be....

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I'd be lying if I said I never ran a slant out or never threw an arrow vs man, but I don't abuse it in any way whatsoever.

I completely agree with you. I played Joke on saloon the other day. For some reason I thought he had some sort of special offense. Nope. Just slant outs and more slant outs. Big Game James? Slant outs and more slant outs. I feel like I'm decent and able to adjust to pretty much anything I see defensively, but I just cannot find a way to stop slant outs if someone knows how to "properly" use them. The game is broken. I'd so much rather have the QB spy then slant outs. Its ridiculous. Its not football. NBA 2K11, NHL 11, MLB The Show, FIFA.. they're all better games then Madden but I just can not bring myself to play them because I just dont care for them like I care for football but I find myself playing stop this glitch rather than football.

Yea it sucks when you hear even the "pros" or top players do the year's hottest trend. With that said I don't think it'll ever change.

As Zan described, it happens every year. I think Madden 05 was the best but that year had juke and rocket catching. Most used compressed sets and two-back if I recall, along with iform twin te.

Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to take a few days off from the game. Maybe I just burned myself out a little bit. Then I can come back and start using some new stuff.