Time to leave the cowboys???

Dalton Big D wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

you take Andre Johnson and put him on the raiders hes the best in the game
you put Calvin Johnson on the raiders hes the best WR in game
you put Desean Jackson on the raiders hes the best in the game
etc, etc, etc

Tell me one reason y DHB is the best in the game? he's 6'2 with like 97 speed with like 67 catch

how does that compare with Calvin Johnson 6'5 95 speed and like 90 catch, he also has a high CIT and SPEC catch????

Its all in the numbers my friend doesn't matter how you think you use them.

madden is all about finding players that are good at a specific thing or some call them gems..jason williams, pat watkins, add d.h.b to that list, and ford.

d.h.b best in game for slant outs.. you cant beat 97 speed 98 acc and 6' 2'' any one who thinks there is a better receiver for slant outs is wrong, calvin johnson would be next. Speed is a big part, but height also thats why d.h.b is better than hester, or desean jackson for slant outs. im not saying hes the best overall you guys are all putting words in my mouth...same with ford great for drags, and quick throws, and occasional streak, hes probalby not the best in the game for that i just like him alot for it and hes going up too.. hester, jackson would be great too.

how does putting a wr on a certain team make them better..calvin johnson would probalby be the wr that you can to everything with and run any type of offense..hes the best overall

you can run Slant outs all game but with DHB your not going to catch them lol
Raiders are my team of choice in this years game but that doesn't mean im gonna say DHB is the best, only person i have heard say that is "Truth." I have played with both CJ and DHB and ya sure DHB offers more big play potential but Calvin Johnson is gonna make bigger plays.

And madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things. Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run.

Dalton Big D wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Edge wrote:

ezekjuninor wrote:

also their D if as close to the Raiders as possible, and with a good Qb their one of the top madden teams

The Redskins.. Donovan is one of the best QBs in the game, torrain is a monster, they have 4 fast recievers, orakpo, haynseworth, laron landry(99 Hit Power!), deangelo hall, phillip bucannon is fast as well.

dont agree with you on that one, Mcnabb isn't an elite madden QB overthrows a ton of passes

redskins would probalby be the second best madden team...anyother team just cant compete with the raiders.. fast wrs, fast dbs, orakpo, can play man and use 4-6 speed package and a mobile qb

Gotta disagree with you here again lol, Redskins just don't have the man power on Offense to be the "second best team"

Lions IMO are better

d.h.b is potentially a big play waiting to happen...but he carries more garbage like drop passes, gets pressed, low CIT....Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson have no garbage..

did you say no other team can compete with raiders? thats another bs statement.... I dunno how many times I have beaten raiders this year..just using giants or ravens...

raiders=highly overrated and abused....its not the team its the player using the team

Megatron_81 wrote:

d.h.b is potentially a big play waiting to happen...but he carries more garbage like drop passes, gets pressed, low CIT....Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson have no garbage..

did you say no other team can compete with raiders? thats another bs statement.... I dunno how many times I have beaten raiders this year..just using giants or ravens...

raiders=highly overrated and abused....its not the team its the player using the team

lol today is just my day to disagree with everyone,

Raiders are not unbeatable, but i don't agree with you when you say that they are highly overrated they are a very good madden Team by the end of this season they could even be one of the best madden teams of all time.

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Dalton Big D wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

you take Andre Johnson and put him on the raiders hes the best in the game
you put Calvin Johnson on the raiders hes the best WR in game
you put Desean Jackson on the raiders hes the best in the game
etc, etc, etc

Tell me one reason y DHB is the best in the game? he's 6'2 with like 97 speed with like 67 catch

how does that compare with Calvin Johnson 6'5 95 speed and like 90 catch, he also has a high CIT and SPEC catch????

Its all in the numbers my friend doesn't matter how you think you use them.

madden is all about finding players that are good at a specific thing or some call them gems..jason williams, pat watkins, add d.h.b to that list, and ford.

d.h.b best in game for slant outs.. you cant beat 97 speed 98 acc and 6' 2'' any one who thinks there is a better receiver for slant outs is wrong, calvin johnson would be next. Speed is a big part, but height also thats why d.h.b is better than hester, or desean jackson for slant outs. im not saying hes the best overall you guys are all putting words in my mouth...same with ford great for drags, and quick throws, and occasional streak, hes probalby not the best in the game for that i just like him alot for it and hes going up too.. hester, jackson would be great too.

how does putting a wr on a certain team make them better..calvin johnson would probalby be the wr that you can to everything with and run any type of offense..hes the best overall

you can run Slant outs all game but with DHB your not going to catch them lol
Raiders are my team of choice in this years game but that doesn't mean im gonna say DHB is the best, only person i have heard say that is "Truth." I have played with both CJ and DHB and ya sure DHB offers more big play potential but Calvin Johnson is gonna make bigger plays.

And madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things. Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run.

d.h.b best at slant outs period. i dont run them all game either..im fine with short throws to ford and higgins all game that what i do, and slants are a part of my offense and not the whole thing... and wtf you find the players that have certain atttributes and obvoiusly you put them in that spot, obvouisly you have a concept behind it otherways you wouldnt know why you should put them there, you can reword it anyway you want.

Not a bunch of ppl run slant outs so thats why you havent heard it, ive ran slant outs with every type of receiver and hes the best at it. the lions d is not good enough to be 2 or even better than the redskins, there d is way too slow, lions top 10 thats it no better

what makes a madden team good? speed? is that it? if not then raiders dont fall for best ever because speed is all they have...

there is more to football than speed in madden and in real life

you said it yourself "madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things (speed??). Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run."

You people are so caught up in the raiders and speed THAT you forget schemes and concepts beat anything

Dalton Big D wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Dalton Big D wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

you take Andre Johnson and put him on the raiders hes the best in the game
you put Calvin Johnson on the raiders hes the best WR in game
you put Desean Jackson on the raiders hes the best in the game
etc, etc, etc

Tell me one reason y DHB is the best in the game? he's 6'2 with like 97 speed with like 67 catch

how does that compare with Calvin Johnson 6'5 95 speed and like 90 catch, he also has a high CIT and SPEC catch????

Its all in the numbers my friend doesn't matter how you think you use them.

madden is all about finding players that are good at a specific thing or some call them gems..jason williams, pat watkins, add d.h.b to that list, and ford.

d.h.b best in game for slant outs.. you cant beat 97 speed 98 acc and 6' 2'' any one who thinks there is a better receiver for slant outs is wrong, calvin johnson would be next. Speed is a big part, but height also thats why d.h.b is better than hester, or desean jackson for slant outs. im not saying hes the best overall you guys are all putting words in my mouth...same with ford great for drags, and quick throws, and occasional streak, hes probalby not the best in the game for that i just like him alot for it and hes going up too.. hester, jackson would be great too.

how does putting a wr on a certain team make them better..calvin johnson would probalby be the wr that you can to everything with and run any type of offense..hes the best overall

you can run Slant outs all game but with DHB your not going to catch them lol
Raiders are my team of choice in this years game but that doesn't mean im gonna say DHB is the best, only person i have heard say that is "Truth." I have played with both CJ and DHB and ya sure DHB offers more big play potential but Calvin Johnson is gonna make bigger plays.

And madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things. Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run.

d.h.b best at slant outs period. i dont run them all game either..im fine with short throws to ford and higgins all game that what i do, and slants are a part of my offense and not the whole thing... and wtf you find the players that have certain atttributes and obvoiusly you put them in that spot, obvouisly you have a concept behind it otherways you wouldnt know why you should put them there, you can reword it anyway you want.

Not a bunch of ppl run slant outs so thats why you havent heard it, ive ran slant outs with every type of receiver and hes the best at it. the lions d is not good enough to be 2 or even better than the redskins, there d is way too slow, lions top 10 thats it no better

lol i know a bunch of people who run slant outs, i run slant outs. Do you think im in some kind of madden bubble or something?? LOL and have you seen lions D??? 3 DBs above 90 speed

well idk but it looks like fords speed helps him make the big plays, and mcfadden and same thing with the raiders defense in real life. so it looks like its pritty important

Megatron_81 wrote:

You people are so caught up in the raiders and speed THAT you forget schemes and concepts beat anything

lol caught up in the raiders?? i barely get to play with the raiders i mostly have to use sorry a$$ teams.

I play in both C4 and EAFL

right now im stuck with the Bills and Seahawks

now try playin with a team like that then switch to the raiders and tell me there isn't a difference.

Megatron_81 wrote:

what makes a madden team good? speed? is that it? if not then raiders dont fall for best ever because speed is all they have...

there is more to football than speed in madden and in real life

you said it yourself "madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things (speed??). Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run."

When drag routes and slants are being dominated by raiders DBs that tells me speed matters...

bills and seahawks have more
"speed" than giants...

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Megatron_81 wrote:

what makes a madden team good? speed? is that it? if not then raiders dont fall for best ever because speed is all they have...

there is more to football than speed in madden and in real life

you said it yourself "madden isn't all about finding players that are good at specific things (speed??). Its about finding certain concepts that work and setting your depth chart in different ways to best utilize the plays you as an individual like to run."

When drag routes and slants are being dominated by raiders DBs that tells me speed matters...

there are more ways to beat man cov then drag routes and slants.

yeah people run them of course its not like its every play like an off tackle or anything...you can run it with any team but its not going to be as succesful

let me ask you who you use for slant outs? just a guess d.h.b.

Megatron_81 wrote:

bills and seahawks have more
"speed" than giants...

Giants DL is sooo good

and giants QB is better, giants have a very balanced team and their Defense catches balls
but back to my main Raiders>every other team.

raiderz DBs will make plays vs Giants WR

Dalton Big D wrote:

yeah people run them of course its not like its every play like an off tackle or anything...you can run it with any team but its not going to be as succesful

let me ask you who you use for slant outs? just a guess d.h.b.

nope Higgins i have other ways i like to use D.H.B slant outs are like my last read on most plays when i use them

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Megatron_81 wrote:

bills and seahawks have more
"speed" than giants...

Giants DL is sooo good

and giants QB is better, giants have a very balanced team and their Defense catches balls
but back to my main Raiders>every other team.

raiderz DBs will make plays vs Giants WR

ravens>raiders

raiders will make plays....they will tackle wr after wr makes the catch..

Megatron_81 wrote:

xHHx_JayNizz wrote:

Megatron_81 wrote:

bills and seahawks have more
"speed" than giants...

Giants DL is sooo good

and giants QB is better, giants have a very balanced team and their Defense catches balls
but back to my main Raiders>every other team.

raiderz DBs will make plays vs Giants WR

ravens>raiders

raiders will make plays....they will tackle wr after wr makes the catch..

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haha Aso and johnson are lockdown bro

Ok ravens D over raiders D or ravens over raiders in general?

not sure what your implying

Nah there is so many ways to beat man cov its retarded.....aso caint guard everyone

Yea I know so many people disagree but its whatever.....ravens are the closest thing to having a complete all around team...

In the end it all comes down to schemes

ravens are the best.

Megatron_81 wrote:

Nah there is so many ways to beat man cov its retarded.....aso caint guard everyone

Yea I know so many people disagree but its whatever.....ravens are the closest thing to having a complete all around team...

In the end it all comes down to schemes

Ok now your preachin to the choir lol

its all about making adjustments.
I know man coverage can not cover everything so for that reason i play a man defense with my DL on zones, and i know that doesn't work against everything either

Catching your opponent of guard is the best way to win a game.

Megatron_81 wrote:

ravens are the best.

you could put up a very good arguement to that point
but i still believe that the raiders>Ravens

I know you believe raiders are the best and so do many people.

As I've said in other topics..

Raiders DL is more versatile than Ravens DL.. You have slug DTs that can't even chase down Tom Brady.. T. Scott & Seymour have at least 68 spd.. not 42-47 spd.. so they can catch a QB.. plus they can drop back in coverage..

Ravens LBs > Raiders LBs.. - but multiple LBs are not important in a 46 Speed scheme.. only 1 is.. you only need 1 good LB..

Raiders CBs > Ravens CBs - TALLER, nearly the same speed & MCV..

Raiders S > Ravens S - Ed Reed is great.. but being 5'11" in Madden is not great.. his speed is awesome.. but Huff/Branch are just as fast.. plus Both Huff & Branch are faster than Zbikowski or whoever you put at SS..


Ravens WRs = SLUGS.. I couldn't believe how slow TJ was.. 84 spd/84 acc.. woah.. 95 CIT.. 85-90 RTE? I can't remember.. good but not great.. speed is too low..
Boldin isn't tall enough.. He has 91 RTE I believe.. 98/99 CIT.. 6'1".. 88spd??? I'm not sure.. Good, nearly great if he was a little more faster or a little more taller.. Stallworth 94 spd.. I think he has low acc.. not sure.. apologize if not..

Raiders have Schilenz.. he's 6'4" 92 spd.. Jacoby Ford.. 97 spd, 95 acc [CIT/CAT going up..], DHB [97 spd, 98 ACC, 6'2"] Higgins..[94? spd. not sure..] Louis Murphy [83 CIT?? 92 spd 6'2"] [Nick Miller 92~ spd.. just a good backup WR if you need someone..]

You can do a lot more with the Raiders WRs.. Don't give me this BS about their catch being low.. CIT is all that matters.. They won't drop catches if they are not being touched [aka if they are on a drag & have separation.. just run away from your CB asap you catch the ball just so your opponent can't press R1/L1 or w/e to strip it to cause it to be an incompletion. You rarely have to do that because you are already far enough from the CB] CIT is important.. They won't always catch passes in traffic.. like if they are being hit while catching.. but they will sometimes.. it just depends.. you have to feel the Raiders to know what I'm talking about.. You saw it several times in the GOTW w/ Gibs vs Jeter.. Gibs completed it to Schilens for a 50 yd gain & he HELD ON.. There werent as many drops and overthrows as people make it out to be..

TEs: I don't know the exact stats on the Ravens TEs but I think I can call it over.. Zach Miller is 6'5" 92-95 CIT.. 82-83 spd.. 85 acc.. He's faster than that I believe.. but yeah.. He's a great TE.. if I really need someone dependable I will throw it to him..

RBs: Darren McFadden is like 85-88 OVR now.. gonna get increased.. he's so d@mn fast.. 96 spd.. 96 acc? He's great.. Ray Rice is 89 spd 97 acc.. I wouldn't recommend tosses w/ Ray Rice.. it's possible.. I do it w/ Steven Jackson.. but it's just easier w/ faster people.. you are almost guaranteed 2 yds if you do a toss w/ fast players like CJ..


Summary:
QB: Ravens
RB: Raiders
WR: Raiders
TE: Raiders

DL: Raiders
LB: Ravens
CB: Raiders
S: Raiders

Raiders: 6 Ravens: 2




BTW JayNizz.. DHB is definitely the best at slant outs from Snugs Flip.. He's so fast that he gets enough separation & if it's an overthrow, he's tall enough to go up & get it.. He's usually never touched if you do slant outs vs. man..

and vs zone or if there pressure you can pass lead down and toward sideline hes still usually hangs on