Time to leave the cowboys???

the ravens do have major flaws no speed no breakaway speed a team with no speed on d (vikings d) is a flaw why is it no one offense it has to be. it would probalby be ok if they had a fast rb, but they dont and raiders d is better before the update they had 4 corners 80+ man coverage, fabian washington great corner but there d has no height so i would take them over ravens before and after update

Yeah, Ravens are clearly the most dominant, that's why you'll see everyone that plays gibs on Saturdays or at tournaments this year use the Ravens... /sarcasm

WRONG. Almost everyone that gibs has played [including myself] has used the Raiders and Cowboys.

Don't even start on awareness.. there's no way to prove awareness.. Tyvon Branch has 88 OVR.. but 75 Awareness.. WTF is that? He's a great player but he doesn't know what's happening on the field?

Last time I checked, the Ravens CBs are short.. they may have speed, but their man coverage is low.. Definitely lower than the Raiders..

They don't have Nnamdi.. He's a 99 OVR player.. I guess we should just ignore the CB with 99 Man Coverage..



Every DB on the Ravens that is over 6'0" is useless.. you could possibly use Williams, but you have other CBs that are faster/higher man coverage. The other two are Hamlin/Landry.. useless..

6 of the 8 DBs on the Raiders are over 6'0".. There are 10 DBs on the Raiders, but no one uses Eugene or Brown.. Every other player is useful.

This is the way Sgibs likes to set up his depth chart.. or it was about a week ago..

#1 CB Asomugha - 6'2" 93 spd, 94 acc, 99 MCV
#2 CB Johnson - 6'1" 97 spd, 96 acc, 80 MCV
#3 FS Huff 6'1" 93 spd, 94 acc, 82 MCV
#4 CB Routt - 6'1" 95 speed, 94 acc, 79 MCV
#5 CB McFadden - 5'10" 93 spd, 90 acc, 82 mcv

FS: Ware 5'10" 92 spd, 90 acc
SS: Branch 6'0" 93 spd, 91 acc 78 hit power

Backups: Mike Mitchell 6'1" 87 speed, 88 acc 75 tackle, 92 hit power


I put this together by putting Washington #1.. then ordered it basically by MCV.

#1 CB Washington - 5'11" 98 spd, 97 acc, 85 mcv
#2 CB Wilson - 5'9" 95 spd, 94 acc, 86 mcv
#3 CB Foxworth - 5'11" 93 spd, 95 acc, 84 mcv
#4 CB Webb - 5'10" 93 spd, 94 acc, 82 mcv
#5 CB Carr - 5'10" 91 spd, 94 acc, 79 mcv

FS: Reed 5'11" 93 spd, 91 acc, 80 mcv, 75 hit power
SS: Zbikowski 5'11" 88 spd, 85 acc, 84 hit power

Backups: Cary Williams - 6'1" 90 spd, 88 acc



If the Ravens were TALLER, I would take them. I don't set my depth chart up like Sgibs does, but I just gave a basic example since I haven't used the Raiders in a week or so.. The Ravens are just too short at CB.. You really won't understand how huge of a factor height is until you play vs. a 6'3" WR & you get jumped over because you have a 5'10" CB covering him.. I've had Chris Johnson break up SOOO many passes for me for some reason.. he is tall and lanky.. he seems like he is taller than Aso.. he has helped me so much..

Summary: Almost identical speed.. Raiders have a little more I believe.. Ravens have more man coverage spread out.. like 85/86/84.. while the Raiders have more man coverage if you add it up.. Raiders have like 422 total mcv w/ the 5 CBs I have there.. Ravens 416.. Raiders dominant in height..

I show all 5 CBs because I'm demonstrating a 46 Speed package basically.. I could include LB.. Lewis is too slow to cover fast RBs.. I'd start maybe Suggs.. Howard is a fast LB too.. McClain is nice, but Ravens have Raiders beat in LBs.. but not totally beat in the #1 LB spot.. Suggs vs Howard when you just want that guy to cover a RB.. Suggs 37 MCV, Howard 68 mcv.. Suggs has the edge probably just because of his 95 ACC though.


Offense.. Definitely goes to the Raiders.. Rather have 5 speed WRs than 5 CIT WRs with no speed..

Alyoyo wrote:

Well if people think speed is the most important thing, I guess they think Charles Woodson is terrible in the game.

Umm.. Yeah, you are right.. Not exactly terrible.. but not anywhere close to the greatest CB in the game.. Players like Sean Smith, Brandon Flowers.. They are below 90 speed, but have good coverage ratings.. it won't cut it.. If you play vs. the Raiders, guess what will happen? Your CBs will get beat deep on a STREAK.. Players that are good IRL, are sometimes bad in the game because of speed.. Ronde Barber for example.. He had a high OVR but has 80 speed.. If you start him, you are begging to get burnt.. he has like 96 press.. He may press the guy, but once he gets off the press, the dude is gonna out run him.. throw a lob and it's a TD..

awareness is just as important as speed lmao is that a effin joke?? cmon man use the viks againist me vs raiders and see how that works. 2 of the top lbs are thomas howard and jason "released" williams. williams has great mcv lb 69 or 68 he covers like no other. Ray lewis even at 82 with 99 prc and high awareness and great acceleration doesnt come close to williams. heres how you make him no have a late reaction, slide him out on the direction the rb is going to and user the safety if they hot route to a drag the other way.


Why does everything think madden players that they will react so much quicker or be in better position if they have high awareness or play recongition. first play recognition is more important. if they have speed and height they can recover and make a play even if they are out of position.

bottom line one o height + speed is what you want for o and d.

speed is more of a factor than madden 10, which height has more of a factor at least on o, ( 6'3" to rocket)


and charles woodson is a prefect example he is too slow to be a great madden corner you cant trust him to not get beat deep. Ex many times on drag routes vs man he will be in good positionand a fast wr will get farther and farther ahead of him wait till he has a step or two throw it and get it is a huge gain. he might be great in real life but remember it is a video game. even aso came get beat deep sometimes againist a fast wr.

Dalton Big D wrote:

awareness is just as important as speed lmao is that a effin joke?? cmon man use the viks againist me vs raiders and see how that works. 2 of the top lbs are thomas howard and jason "released" williams. williams has great mcv lb 69 or 68 he covers like no other. Ray lewis even at 82 with 99 prc and high awareness and great acceleration doesnt come close to williams. heres how you make him no have a late reaction, slide him out on the direction the rb is going to and user the safety if they hot route to a drag the other way.


Why does everything think madden players that they will react so much quicker or be in better position if they have high awareness or play recongition. first play recognition is more important. if they have speed and height they can recover and make a play even if they are out of position.

bottom line one o height + speed is what you want for o and d.

speed is more of a factor than madden 10, which height has more of a factor at least on o, ( 6'3" to rocket)


and charles woodson is a prefect example he is too slow to be a great madden corner you cant trust him to not get beat deep. Ex many times on drag routes vs man he will be in good positionand a fast wr will get farther and farther ahead of him wait till he has a step or two throw it and get it is a huge gain. he might be great in real life but remember it is a video game. even aso came get beat deep sometimes againist a fast wr.

Woodson is nice on madden though. I already said I'd line him (an olb) up towards RB side. if rb leaks towards flats, an olb with low awareness/PRC will go towards LOS or inside at first and then cover him. Its almost to the point that I got to user him.

and btw I never said speed wasnt important at all.

wangtangkiki wrote:

If the Ravens were TALLER, I would take them.I don't set my depth chart up like Sgibs but I just gave a basic example since I haven't used the Raiders in a week or so.. The Ravens are just too short at CB.. You really won't understand how huge of a factor height is until you play vs. a 6'3" WR & you get jumped over because you have a 5'10" CB covering him.. I've had Chris Johnson break up SOOO many passes for me for some reason.. he is tall and lanky.. he seems like he is taller than Aso.. he has helped me so much..

Summary: Almost identical speed.. Raiders have a little more I believe.. Ravens have more man coverage spread out.. like 85/86/84.. while the Raiders have more man coverage if you add it up.. Raiders have like 422 total mcv w/ the 5 CBs I have there.. Ravens 416.. Raiders dominant in height.. I show all 5 CBs because I'm demonstrating a 46 Speed package basically.. I could include LB.. Lewis is too slow to cover fast RBs.. I'd start maybe Suggs.. Howard is a fast LB too.. McClain is nice, but Ravens have Raiders beat in LBs.. but not totally beat in the #1 LB spot.. Suggs vs Howard when you just want that guy to cover a RB.. Suggs 37 MCV, Howard 68 mcv.. Suggs has the edge probably just because of his 95 ACC though.


Offense.. Definitely goes to the Raiders.. Rather have 5 speed WRs than 5 CIT WRs with no speed..

You said I really dont understand how height is a factor? ...I have this thing called stick skill, so I hit strafe and catch like almost at the same time, and ummm I get picks...so yea..*sarcasm* and doesnt matter who marshall, sidney rice, Calvin, Moss, Fitz..

So you said raiders have 6pts total more man cov than ravens...wow..big difference.. similar secondar, but superb Dline and suberb Lbs for the ravens..

what good does 5 speed wrs that suck @$$ against a speed secondary...haha LMAO... 5 wrs that get pressed easy.. Like I been tellin yo @$$ from the start...who needs speed to win..I dont, Im easily putting up over 35 points a game wit ravens while Im running the ball consistently.

As a matter of fact..I would take ravens group of Wrs over any team's group. (high CIT, route running) High route running beats speedy defenses with lower man cov rating.. you SHOULD know that...obviously not

this year height is less of a factor (not many people RC, I'm doin with boldin...so this myth that says a wr needs to be over 6-3 is a bust.) The most important deal with height is the fact that a WR or Defender (defenders will more times than not strafe and jump for pic) running down the field going for a over-the-shoulder catch (toughest animation to defend)

I think awareness has more to do with zone and Playaction.. not man coverage rating

I didnt read the other crap cause I dont read BS

Lol this sh!t is starting to get heated lol, but I will say I played a game with the ravens and actually liked them alot, but I did miss the speed on O, but definitely didn't miss having to pray every time I passed it that it would be a good pass and be caught. Which is what I would do when I played with the raiders

you meant raiders...LOL

haha yeah lol I fixed it

Megatron_81 wrote:

wangtangkiki wrote:

If the Ravens were TALLER, I would take them.I don't set my depth chart up like Sgibs but I just gave a basic example since I haven't used the Raiders in a week or so.. The Ravens are just too short at CB.. You really won't understand how huge of a factor height is until you play vs. a 6'3" WR & you get jumped over because you have a 5'10" CB covering him.. I've had Chris Johnson break up SOOO many passes for me for some reason.. he is tall and lanky.. he seems like he is taller than Aso.. he has helped me so much..

Summary: Almost identical speed.. Raiders have a little more I believe.. Ravens have more man coverage spread out.. like 85/86/84.. while the Raiders have more man coverage if you add it up.. Raiders have like 422 total mcv w/ the 5 CBs I have there.. Ravens 416.. Raiders dominant in height.. I show all 5 CBs because I'm demonstrating a 46 Speed package basically.. I could include LB.. Lewis is too slow to cover fast RBs.. I'd start maybe Suggs.. Howard is a fast LB too.. McClain is nice, but Ravens have Raiders beat in LBs.. but not totally beat in the #1 LB spot.. Suggs vs Howard when you just want that guy to cover a RB.. Suggs 37 MCV, Howard 68 mcv.. Suggs has the edge probably just because of his 95 ACC though.


Offense.. Definitely goes to the Raiders.. Rather have 5 speed WRs than 5 CIT WRs with no speed..

You said I really dont understand how height is a factor? ...I have this thing called stick skill, so I hit strafe and catch like almost at the same time, and ummm I get picks...so yea..*sarcasm* and doesnt matter who marshall, sidney rice, Calvin, Moss, Fitz..

So you said raiders have 6pts total more man cov than ravens...wow..big difference.. similar secondar, but superb Dline and suberb Lbs for the ravens..

I actually gave a nod to the Ravens.. It's better to have MCV spread out like they do.. with 3 CBs having 84-86 MCV.. I was just stating a fact that the Raiders added up to a really small amount of MCV difference.

Megatron_81 wrote:

what good does 5 speed wrs that suck @$$ against a speed secondary...haha LMAO... 5 wrs that get pressed easy.. Like I been tellin yo @$$ from the start...who needs speed to win..I dont, Im easily putting up over 35 points a game wit ravens while Im running the ball consistently.

As a matter of fact..I would take ravens group of Wrs over any team's group. (high CIT, route running) High route running beats speedy defenses with lower man cov rating.. you SHOULD know that...obviously not

Again, another rating you think works that doesn't.. Press/Release.. I've seriously had scrub WRs beating Nnamdi in press cov.. He has 97 press.. It really doesn't work.. You should know it from last year too.. It was almost impossible for your WR to beat press.. That was the one thing that could stop Post Corners until you threw in an unbumpable..

Those 5 WRs that get pressed easily will also be racing down the field after getting separation from an unbumpable.. I do know that high route running beats CBs with lower man coverage ratings.. but I would rather take a fast group of WRs because they can make a 5 yd stick route turn into a 30 yd gain.. I won't always be playing the Raiders or the Ravens. If you have your high CIT but slug WRs play vs. ANY team, you will have a tough time because ANY CB can compete.. The only thing that can negate speedy WRs: Speedy CBs.. The only thing that can negate high CIT slug WRs: EVERYTHING.. Any CB can compete with them.. no matter their speed because 87 speed won't cut it.. You limit yourself..

Megatron_81 wrote:

this year height is less of a factor (not many people RC, I'm doin with boldin...so this myth that says a wr needs to be over 6-3 is a bust.) The most important deal with height is the fact that a WR or Defender (defenders will more times than not strafe and jump for pic) running down the field going for a over-the-shoulder catch (toughest animation to defend)

I think awareness has more to do with zone and Playaction.. not man coverage rating

Last year you had to be 6'3" to RC.. it just helps to be 6'3" this year..


You just said it yourself.. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY HEIGHT IS IMPORTANT. THE OVER THE SHOULDER ANIMATION. The taller you are, the better your chances of actually being able to defend it.. That is why height is a big factor on defense for CBs.. There's almost no chance you'll be able to defend it with the 5'10" CBs of the Ravens.. you can with Aso.. 6'2".. or any of the other CBs.. 6 of the 8 are over 6'0".. That's a huge deal.







Btw.. The Raiders also have a superb DL.. I posted this in another thread, but this is the run down:


Groves: 83 spd, 91 acc, 84 FMV
Seymour: 68 spd, 79 acc 94 PMV..
Scott: 79 spd, 86 acc 86 FMV
Wimbley: 79 spd, 93 acc 89 PMV, 95 FMV [97 OVR AT DE]

89.75 Power/Finesse Move
77.25 Speed
87.25 Acceleration

wangtangkiki wrote:

Yeah, Ravens are clearly the most dominant, that's why you'll see everyone that plays gibs on Saturdays or at tournaments this year use the Ravens... /sarcasm

WRONG. Almost everyone that gibs has played [including myself] has used the Raiders and Cowboys.

Don't even start on awareness.. there's no way to prove awareness.. Tyvon Branch has 88 OVR.. but 75 Awareness.. WTF is that? He's a great player but he doesn't know what's happening on the field?

Last time I checked, the Ravens CBs are short.. they may have speed, but their man coverage is low.. Definitely lower than the Raiders..

They don't have Nnamdi.. He's a 99 OVR player.. I guess we should just ignore the CB with 99 Man Coverage..



Every DB on the Ravens that is over 6'0" is useless.. you could possibly use Williams, but you have other CBs that are faster/higher man coverage. The other two are Hamlin/Landry.. useless..

6 of the 8 DBs on the Raiders are over 6'0".. There are 10 DBs on the Raiders, but no one uses Eugene or Brown.. Every other player is useful.

This is the way Sgibs likes to set up his depth chart.. or it was about a week ago..

#1 CB Asomugha - 6'2" 93 spd, 94 acc, 99 MCV
#2 CB Johnson - 6'1" 97 spd, 96 acc, 80 MCV
#3 FS Huff 6'1" 93 spd, 94 acc, 82 MCV
#4 CB Routt - 6'1" 95 speed, 94 acc, 79 MCV
#5 CB McFadden - 5'10" 93 spd, 90 acc, 82 mcv

FS: Ware 5'10" 92 spd, 90 acc
SS: Branch 6'0" 93 spd, 91 acc 78 hit power

Backups: Mike Mitchell 6'1" 87 speed, 88 acc 75 tackle, 92 hit power


I put this together by putting Washington #1.. then ordered it basically by MCV.

#1 CB Washington - 5'11" 98 spd, 97 acc, 85 mcv
#2 CB Wilson - 5'9" 95 spd, 94 acc, 86 mcv
#3 CB Foxworth - 5'11" 93 spd, 95 acc, 84 mcv
#4 CB Webb - 5'10" 93 spd, 94 acc, 82 mcv
#5 CB Carr - 5'10" 91 spd, 94 acc, 79 mcv

FS: Reed 5'11" 93 spd, 91 acc, 80 mcv, 75 hit power
SS: Zbikowski 5'11" 88 spd, 85 acc, 84 hit power

Backups: Cary Williams - 6'1" 90 spd, 88 acc



If the Ravens were TALLER, I would take them. I don't set my depth chart up like Sgibs does, but I just gave a basic example since I haven't used the Raiders in a week or so.. The Ravens are just too short at CB.. You really won't understand how huge of a factor height is until you play vs. a 6'3" WR & you get jumped over because you have a 5'10" CB covering him.. I've had Chris Johnson break up SOOO many passes for me for some reason.. he is tall and lanky.. he seems like he is taller than Aso.. he has helped me so much..

Summary: Almost identical speed.. Raiders have a little more I believe.. Ravens have more man coverage spread out.. like 85/86/84.. while the Raiders have more man coverage if you add it up.. Raiders have like 422 total mcv w/ the 5 CBs I have there.. Ravens 416.. Raiders dominant in height..

I show all 5 CBs because I'm demonstrating a 46 Speed package basically.. I could include LB.. Lewis is too slow to cover fast RBs.. I'd start maybe Suggs.. Howard is a fast LB too.. McClain is nice, but Ravens have Raiders beat in LBs.. but not totally beat in the #1 LB spot.. Suggs vs Howard when you just want that guy to cover a RB.. Suggs 37 MCV, Howard 68 mcv.. Suggs has the edge probably just because of his 95 ACC though.


Offense.. Definitely goes to the Raiders.. Rather have 5 speed WRs than 5 CIT WRs with no speed..

Exactly why I don't want to use the raiders.. It's simple because everyone uses them.
I don't like playing madden when i'm using the same team as my opponent, simply because we know the capabilities of our teams, it's boring and annoying.. I used the raiders today and completely knocked the guy out, even if rice doesn't have great speed, he had great acceleration, I want to see how I do against the Raiders

By the way, Megatron, have you signed up for C4 league yet? You may put up over 35 points a game with the Ravens in ranked games.. but how about in an organized league with tournament style players where there are nearly no slouches.. [there are always bottom feeders in all leagues.]

ezekjuninor wrote:

Exactly why I don't want to use the raiders.. It's simple because everyone uses them.
I don't like playing madden when i'm using the same team as my opponent, simply because we know the capabilities of our teams, it's boring and annoying.. I used the raiders today and completely knocked the guy out, even if rice doesn't have great speed, he had great acceleration, I want to see how I do against the Raiders

I really don't get that concept.. I can understand that with playbooks because you'll know what plays are in what formations.. but teams? You really want to be different that badly? You know the capabilities of every team if you just take a look at the depth charts.. I don't see why you wouldn't look at each team before you start playing ranked games to get an idea on what teams are good at what.. and how you can stop a certain team..

That's like playing Madden with one eye closed because everyone else uses two eyes to play.

call me silly but I hate using Baltimore simply cuz Flacco release takes so long anybody thats open isnt anymore by the time he releases it

try the Bengals

especially their defense them dudes are loaded

Joseph and Hall at corner or Pacman if u dont like Halls speed

Reggie Nelson to run around crazy with (93 speed)

Mauluga Rivers and the Johnson brothers at linebacker(not really related)

Odom Geathers Dunlap on the d line


like baltimore thou their lacking in speed at wr Ocho Cinco tops it at 91 I believe

wangtangkiki wrote:

By the way, Megatron, have you signed up for C4 league yet? You may put up over 35 points a game with the Ravens in ranked games.. but how about in an organized league with tournament style players where there are nearly no slouches.. [there are always bottom feeders in all leagues.]

I signed up already but now im just waiting for a team i guess..Just cause people are in a league, doesnt automatically make them better than someone who isnt in a league.

wang henderseon and seymour should be your dt's 95 and 95 strength you could be in coverage d and they stop the draws lol

Actually it's funny to me that u get people who's fav team is like the seahawks or cardinals but won't play them on madden cause there not a high profile team.

I run with the vikings i have since 98 and like thgis year tghere called high profile which i think is funny cause they have a good offense but the defence really lacks in speed mast people can out run there d but either way i bleed puirple and gold no matter what.

stritzo wrote:

Actually it's funny to me that u get people who's fav team is like the seahawks or cardinals but won't play them on madden cause there not a high profile team.

I run with the vikings i have since 98 and like thgis year tghere called high profile which i think is funny cause they have a good offense but the defence really lacks in speed mast people can out run there d but either way i bleed puirple and gold no matter what.

and I dont get people who say this

like it makes them less of a fan or something...........

GunfusedX wrote:

wang henderseon and seymour should be your dt's 95 and 95 strength you could be in coverage d and they stop the draws lol

Strength doesn't matter.. I've done tests several times proving it.. I put 99 PMV DE with 99 STR up against a 90 in all stats LT w/ 75 in all movement [speed/agi/acc]. I also put up a 99 PMV DE with 12 STR up against that same LT.. There was no difference in who got off their block faster.. nor how many times they got off their block.. You should try it.. It didn't surprise me.. How can there be 3 different strength ratings? Also, if you go and look at Player Management, there are several ratings that don't matter.. like "Pass Block" and "Run Block." They aren't in the normal depth chart setup.. so I'm guessing they don't matter.. They aren't an average of anything that I know of.. I tried to make an average.. couldn't get it to work.

Kelly has better PMV than Henderson.. He should be my starter if I was wanting a beef DT out there.. I put Scott out there because he has just as much PMV as they do, but has more speed/acc..

That's it from now on i'm just going to use my favorite team...
don't care if their sh!t or if their Cb can't play man D, i'll use them and i'll find a way

Weird.. GOTW had two players using the best team in the game.. the Raiders.. NOT THE RAVENS. Weird.. the Raiders have a bad OL but a great DL.. Gibs attempted to run it.. HE SUCCEEDED.. There were dropped passes, there were overthrows [surprisingly low amount].. but it was still a great game.. You could go pass heavy with the Raiders like Jeter.. or Run Balanced like Gibs is right now.. even with a crappy OL.. it still worked out..

[On the few plays that gibs did 10 man coverage with 1 blitzer, the OL held up.. At the end of the game, there was a time they had 5 OL vs 2 DL.. the OL held up for 10 or so seconds.. what do you expect of them? The QB eventually had to scramble because of how good the coverage was.. [there were 9 pass defenders.]


Do you still really think OL matters Megatron?

ok well raiders o line is getting an update, campbell is too, and d.h.b. is also. so do u guys still not think hayword-bey was a top receiver when he had 81 cit, he was clearly a top wideout. So now that all the so called problems are being upgraded you guys still going to say that they are not the best team in madden?? or at least that these problems areas are not very adequate.. im very high on the raiders wrs already for this year give me two real fast wrs and a tall one.. and thats what they got, also higgins is fast enough too.

Of course everyone knows that raiders are the best team in madden, no one is disputing that...
It just gets annoying when I play 10 ranked matches and about 7 of my 10 opponents are using the raiders

megatron is he crowned the cowboys as kings, then once the roster update details were released he thinks the ravens are the best now.